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Party of absolute sellouts. Dem party will never do the right thing and they are beyond cooked. We need real power on the left, not these clowns.
So, what do we do?
As painful as it will be, they leave few options outside of a third party at this point. They'd need to focus on districts where they will minimize negative consequences, but there must be a willingness to bargain with mutual loss in favor of Republicans. The corprocrats are always more willing than the left to risk fascists winning, but given how much they're going to the right recently, they're really not much better.
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Same old, same old. The DNC lost the most important election and ended democracy. Had a chance to change but couldn't see past the pile of cash in front of 'em.
schumeer and hakim, plus 10+ other dinos in both houses: "best we can do is vote with the gop most of the time"
This confirms to me that the Democrats always having enough people breaking rank to pass horrible Republican bills is a feature of the party and not a bug because they instantly toss the guy trying to fix it. There will NEVER be enough Democrats in elected positions to pass the bills they pretend to want to pass nor will there ever be enough to stop Republican rule, no matter how small a minority they are.
What is the most effective way to let the DNC know that I hate them?
Vote for progressives in your state and local Democratic primaries.
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You know what Democrat politicians hate? Progressive politicians.
What they really hate is people who vote for those progressive politicians.
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There is nothing they won't interpret as evidence that they're not far enough to the right.
That. I can't believe that their takeaway from 2024 was that they didn't throw the left under the bus enough. Harris ran exactly the campaign that the DNC donors wanted, and we see the fucking results.
Politically they get what they want. Trump will take the blame for tax cuts and anti immigration policies they couldnt pass without alienating too many voters. Then next election they expect to have people crawl back. Ratchet and repeat.
Seems like the flaw in their plan is assuming there will be a next election.
Support candidates they hate, like Zohran Mamdani, Kat Abughazaleh, AOC, etc. Start changing them from the ground up.
It's a long process, and we might not have time to pull it off at this point. But I don't see a better option short of straight up revolution.
People are going to hate this, but if you keep voting for them at the end of the day, they have no reason to change. Simple as.
Voting third-party.
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It’s almost like Dems don’t want to win.
If it means moving to the left, they would rather have trump.
We all fucking told you so.
We told them so, we were called russian bots and trump supporters for saying "They want Trump to win, this is bad."
Gotta love being a Cassandra. Calling out that something bad will happen, people ignore you, bad thing happens, people now think you're just using hindsight.
Pretty much. I'm not gonna say that the Dem establishment wants Trump/The GOP to win, obviously they would prefer holding the power. But if it's a choice between progressives who will actually oppose their economic policies and the far-right, they'll pick the latter every. single. time.
many of the dinos couldnt hack it as a gop candidate , so they play the D games to get elected.
and they have a party willing to welcome them as long as it means they get to move to the right.
and this is why the DNC is going to die. Its killing itself with its own greed.
Yeah they're better than the republicans because they don't commit literal treason in broad daylight. But these fuckers want to get paid more than they want to serve and better their country.
Hoggs anti-firearm stance is a non-starter for me.
Edit: Downvoted for my opinion 🤔. Remind me again how this platform is better than reddit?
Well when you go through what he did it's understandable
I get that he's been through a terrible event, but that's all the more reason to understand why guns are so important. We're always going to live in fear of the right because they embrace guns and OWN gun culture. Guns, you know the thing that's designed to KILL. We're legitimately and utterly fucked if/when the right turns on us. Who are we going to turn to when lefties are getting slaughtered in the streets?
IMO It's this anti-gun policy policy that is the main detriment to left ideology in America. I get anti-gun can fly in other Western nations, but not in ours.
That is 1.11 mass shootings per day.
Americans: "How are we going to defend ourselves without guns thouuughhhh :(:(:("
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With the way things are going I don't blame you. Leftists should be arming. It is VERY clear that right wing in this country is a death cult that wants us all in the ground.
That's my exact rationale.
Opinions can be unpopular. Complaining about downvotes is as unpopular on Lemmy as it was on Reddit, if not more.
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Maybe consider why he has that position on Firearms? Considering he was the victim of a school shooting as a child during one of the dozens that have happened since Columbine. Funny how school shootings are now old enough for their survivors to run for office. So maybe their stance is respectable, even if you don't agree with it.
Maybe consider that it's that very reason why guns are so important. You don't see that the right are being groomed to hate and despise us to a violent degree? How are you going to defend yourself when some right-wing nut job busts into your home with full combat gear and an AR-15?
If the world was perfect I'd agree weapons have no place in society, but we're very very far from a perfect world. If this giant rift in American society that has both sides violent towards each other hasn't changed your mind on firearms IDK what to tell ya.
My dude.
Literally the rest of the world doesn't have this problem. So let's start in that reality, unless you have a bunch of school shooting data to prove me wrong.
Australia is a great example of gun control policies and how they can be used to stop public shootings like they did in the 90's. It worked there, and literally everywhere else it's been adopted, including here in the US with the Brady Bill. (That lapsed long ago).
I own guns and use them. I also work in a field where they are used often.
So I know what I'm saying when I say that there absolutely should be compromises on what types of weapons are regulated, how they function, and we should without questions require a license to get one like a car. But a conversation about these things needs to actually happen for better options to be brought to the table.
Without Hogg and others, we're left with a bunch of idiots that think doing nothing as our children get executed in schools is a necessity if we want to have fun with guns.
So I find it hard to agree with anything you just said as it's mostly a made up terror fantasy you're substituting as factual to skip over the actual conversation about gun regulations that need to be had.
The difference between your opinion and Hoggs is that his will effectively save children, and yours will let them die.
There's absolutely a middle ground. And if you don't like his policies, you should be the one finding that middle as you weren't the one who was shot in school as a child for the crime of being American like Hogg was.
IDK, in this time where federal goons are going around roughing up civilians and even politicians so blatantly, I wouldn't want to be caught with my pants down. Things aren't exactly primed for anti-gun folks in the zeitgeist.
I'm no expert, but I've been around conservatives my whole life. Even the moderate ones are not moving one iota on guns. Unless they suffer directly they won't even flinch on guns. IMO Dems should drop guns on their priority list until this Trump thing is long past us, if we're so lucky.
And now you know why I said Hogg is a no-go for me, which is my opinion.
I don't know why you had to insult me for stating my opinions. Surely you know that's not an effective method to change an opinion. Hopefully those insults will save you when some gun-toting lunatic breaks in at night.
I'm aware of your opinion. I just don't agree that now is a bad time to talk about kids dying. Because it's never been a good time. I've been told to wait for a better time to have this conversation for two decades, and in that time there's now hundreds more dead kids making it an even better reason to have this discussion.
We're adults. We can talk about all the bad things that need fixed, and we can do it all at once while other bad things are happening. Thinking otherwise is how we let this problem grow this big. Becuase it's been easier to be distracted by bigger priorities (9/11, 2008, Covid, etc) rather than actually work on a solution.
I'm not even advocating for banning guns at all. Just that we should have a conversation - one where we discuss what policy options could fix the accessibility problem of guns while still making your gun owning friends happy.
Yet, I can't even seem to get close to having that conversation with you without you somehow feeling insulted. Followed by you threatening me with violence you assume will occur to me despite me already saying I own guns and know how to use them.
Why is it that the biggest 2A supporters are the ones who run the fastest away from the adult conversation we need to have about guns in this country? Because at least Hogg isn't running away from the topic like you are just because it's a "bad time"
So of course you don't agree with him. The point I'm making is that if you don't, it should be you talking about it instead of postponing the conversation further. That's how kids die. And from my position, at least Hogg is trying to stop it instead of burying his head in the sand as you have advocated for.
So let me make this very clear: Fuck Democrats who want to ban guns, I just want them to be at least as hard to obtain as a car.
And that unfortunately makes me more closer aligned to Hogg. But at least I'm talking about it.
I largely agree with you, but I also don't expect a mass shooting victim to be aligned with me on that particular issue. In any case it's not like I have a say anyways
Whining about downvotes, remind us again how you're better than redditors?
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Remind me again how this platform is better than reddit?
Well, it's not the lack of people whining about downvotes.
I don't agree with all this guy says, but I agreed that the Democratic party is fucking worthless. They are done. We need a new party to beat fascism or we need a new system. One where oligarchs cannot buy power.
jfc. And here I was thinking that that audio clip of Ken Martin literally fucking crying at David Hogg would amount to anything. These people have the utmost contempt for their constituents, it is absolutely ridiculous. They would LITERALLY rather America succumb to a fascist takeover than begin to call out their own, or oppose their corporate donors. The average democratic voter has more balls and patriotism than these people. Words cannot describe how insanely livid this makes me, neolibs can suck my fucking balls.
Looks like someone got a job on the Three Letter campaign.
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