Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
Right?
Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I've seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.
I'm sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.
Hey, at least they've got their pedestals to look down on us from.
The original comment is a shitty take. Biden was sending billions in weapons to israel to carry out its mission of genocide. He continued doing this even though people were begging him to stop during an election when he needed their votes. Harris continued his rhetoric. You and Chainweasel think that somehow Biden/Harris would have changed course after they didn't need the votes. Now you're talking about people jerking all over themselves while you and Chainweasel admonish voters for not picking the correct genocide-enabler-in-chief. Hope you have good balance on that pedestal of yours because it's really high up.
You got worse than what you were protesting. Good job. Huge success!
Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.
Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza... Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.
There's only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y'all can't wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.
Why I don't get is why the democrats ran a chicken race with democracy for a widely despised policy when they knew the stakes. We can call the electorate morons all day and even have point, but they are supposed to be smart.
The why doesn't strike me as hard. A number of domestic voting blocks in critical swing states will mobilize hard against any perceived flagging of support of Israel. It will play poorly in the press broadly, and opponents will successfully fundraise on the issue.
The worst part is the party is being entirely realistic. Jeremy Corbyn showed what happens when a party leadership is not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Any left of center leader will be tagged as radical, but the accusations of harboring antisemitic elements lost labour what should have been a landslide victory.
Continuing to write Israel a blank check may be widely despised, but the left might hold their nose and vote blue anyway. The left is famously never satisfied, so what else is new?
1 million upvotes for you. "Hope you're happy Trump got elected. Palestine is doing great now" etc. is such a tired cliche at this point. I'm astonished that it gets upvoted every. single. time. Harris literally said she wouldn't do anything different from Biden. She would have allowed/financed the genocide all the same, but she'd be calling the "tragic loss of life" a "very complex issue." I have no idea where this fantasy comes from that she would suddenly be the hero who stands up to Israel.
She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.
"Oh but I voted against genocide", fuck no you didn't. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.
Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.
That might be an understatement lol.
I'm still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I've made going back at least a year.
They're so mad they're been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let's me know I'm on the right track.
Same. I've had cancer wished on me, suicide, and a few other things. Like you said, it's solidly let me know the kind of people that I'm criticizing.
Someone lost a friend in Lebanon, and that's sad. I'm sure if they were still here, they'd be stoked that their friend effectively supported Donald Trump to help out though.
I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.
Get over yourself mate. We haven't memory holed genocide Joe.
To the downvoters. Biden supplied the weapons, the political cover and the witchunt against domestic dissent. These policies were all continued by Trump.
Matthew Miller and Blinken shed lots of crocodile tears but continued to support Netanyahu for 18 months. There was no serious effort at stopping the genocide under the Democrats
Great, now you got the genocide still going AND a fascist takeover of your country, with even less possibility to change anything and plenty of distractions to the Palestinians cause because your country is falling apart around you.
Genocide Joe walked so Fascist Donald could run.
Fascism didn't start in January. It's been a steady, forty-year march aided and abetted by every president since Carter.
I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change. The people who could've mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.
argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
Either you're putting up a straw man or you didn't read what I wrote correctly.
He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.
As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about "working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war".
how the fck this has so many votes ? that scum did nothing but lie about it for a year. that trash had failed upward his entire political carrier by bankrolling with aipac blood money.
he is the biggest reason harris lost and was probably told to do so by israel.
The zionists won. It doesn't need reminding.
A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don't get this sentiment to keep stomping.
There are those of us who will never see the protest (non-)voters as allies again due to their willingness to ignore the basic math of the election and enable fascists to win to "prove a point". They are a step away from collaborators and hold part of the responsibility for every person who has been kidnapped by ICE, the end of a possibility of a free Palestine, every murdered protestor, every trans youth who commits suicide because they are denied care, every child that dies from measles.
Performative bullshit driven by the desire to feel moral superiority while helping get a fascist elected and undoing a century of civil and societal progress doesn't make one an ally. It makes them useful idiots to the far-right and betrayers of people in vulnerable populations, everyone whose life is ruined by global warming.
I might forgive this who take responsibility and try to lend a hand in the multi-generation effort to try repairing the damage that has been in under 200 days (protest voters have fucked over GenX through Alpha, at the very least). But, as long as I live, I'll not forget, nor will I allow them or anyone else to do so, lest someone make the mistake of thinking that they would stand up for anyone in any effective manner capable of positive change.
Remember when Biden literally voted against the two-state solution at the UN?
Israel is done. It'll take a few years more, but Trump abandoned Israel and the world is turning its back. Palestine will be free, and only then you also will be free.
Until then, you'll keep bouncing back between openly fascist and polite fascist like the good little wage slave that you are.
This was Biden's genocide, you can never take that away from him.
Could we say there's a difference in rhetoric not action?
I mean as disgusting as this is he is really just saying the quiet part loud. There was never any plan to give the Palestinians a state. Oslo was a con to legitimise land confiscation and to neutralise the Palestinian resistance of the time (the PLO).
The US did literally nothing while the Zionists flooded the West Bank with settlements over the last 30 years but kept up the "2 state solution" as a rhetorical shield.
People just like to pretend the quite part "aka Biden - Obama policies" was never been there.
If at any given point, the US said "sanction for two state solution" it will take a few months before they come to a solution.
"No longer" they didn't pursue it from the start, just pretended to.
Nothing new here, the US has always supported the genocidal state of Israel. The US is complicit in the massacre, genocide and war crimes committed by Israel.
"No longer".
It is great that the Trump administration is dropping the fake pretenses.
Americans: “We are still trash.”
World: “We know.”
Decades of broken promises and bad-faith negotiations prove that the U.S. has never had a "peace process" for the Mideast. Our process has always been, "Israel always gets whatever it wants and fark everything else. "
Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?
I vote this as the default slogan for all Western Civ history classes
Fucking disgusting.
it was over the moment trump moved the embassy to jeruselum. oh and they never even planned to give palestine thier rightful state.
You know it's democracy when the policies of 340 million people can flip-flop based on the whims of a handful of moronic hateful shitbirds.
So much to unpack here.
First of all, when asked, he said "I don't think so." He should have a definitive answer to that question, not some weasely equivocation.
The fact that we aren't supporting a PLACE for them to live as an independent nation, signals that America has embraced the genocide option.
This is entirely about developing a Jewish Dubai, so they don't have to spend their money with Muslims. HitlerPig's Spiritual Advisor has already come out to say that Christians won't be able to enter heaven unless they make a pilgrimage to Israel, the way Muslims make their pilgrimage to Mecca. Of course, for the MAGA Nazis, it's not about spiritual fulfillment, it's about making Christians spend their money in their hotels and restaurants.
Israel has a very successful gamble in showing they are the white man's key to the Middle East. For as long as no one wills to find another ally in the region, Israel oversells itself as a one. And as any other bad example of putting all eggs in one basket, Israel felt the dependency other states have in it, and now tests it, tests it, tests it with no negative response.
Palestine and Gaza are just them dipping their toes to know, if they can get scots-free from shooting weak HAMAS and civs and get into a real war Netanyahu's cabinet already planning. It's 2025 and in the coming years we'd see even more violence from that beloved partner if no one pulls the stop lever.
The US was never pursuing such a thing, it was always to string Palestine along while israel goes in butchering the people and land to take for themselves completely.
From the river to the sea, fuck Israel.
no shit. lol.
I think it should be carved out of Texas.
They've got lots of empty space, the weather sucks, they'll be surrounded with idiot bigots. They ought to feel right at home.
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