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[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 380 points 1 month ago

You literally posted the answer to your question. Here is an expansion of the details.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 191 points 1 month ago

I haven't read the new TOS but if this review is correct it looks like a GDPR nightmare for them. Good luck to them explaining why they need to collect all that personal data.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The "collected data types" in that comment seems to be copy/pasted from the privacy policy

https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/

[-] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 month ago

That might be US only, where the companies have freedom to get all the customer's data and do with it as they will.

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[-] moon@lemmy.sdf.org 72 points 1 month ago

Due to Steam's tos updates a few months ago, isn't take-two opening itself up to a massive lawsuit?

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago

No idea, but I think it would be funny, so I'm all for it and hope you are right.

[-] Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hm... Ok. Thats crazy. Someone wants to create a new branch of income it seems.

Thats a fucking shame. Now I need to reconsider my plans to buy Borderlands4.

But how will they do it? Which information is gathered from which source? Most of my accounts only hold as little informations as possible. Also my Os knows nothing about me. My MS account neither.

On the other hand my steam 2FA need some mobile information.

[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Unless you use Linux, your OS knows a ton about you. On top of that, with root access to your computer they can do whatever they want and if their system gets hacked you become a member of a bot farm or crypto mine.

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[-] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 168 points 1 month ago

Doesn’t the screenshot you posted explain what’s going on?

[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 118 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • Did the EULA change? ✅
  • Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy on everything you do? ❌
  • Do Take Two games contain code to report telemetry and user information(including application/system activity) to a home server? ✅
  • Is this EULA change extraordinary and particularly egregious in comparison to others that most people have probably already agreed to? ❌(IMO)
  • Are people riled up because e a YouTube video went a little viral and now they’re all playing telephone to the point where it’s now gotten to the point of random dumdums are review booming a 13 year old game claiming it’s turned into literal spyware? ✅(again, IMO)
  • Should you be surprised by any of this if you’ve been even remotely paying attention for any period of the last 30-40 years? ❌
  • Do we need more than just angry idiots in the battle against corpatocracy? ✅

We should be done coddling the late comers at this point. Yes welcome them and accept them, but at a certain point your level of ignorance became a detriment to your community and you should be made aware of that fact.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago
[-] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

Precise location information? Wtf for?

[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hyper Localized Advertising. Welcome to the future :(

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I just saw an advertisement for a custom T-shirt:
"That's right, I'm a December dad, who lives at 62a, with size 10 feet and prescription glasses..."

/S

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[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh honey, what's any of it for?

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[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A bit more than what, not really sure what your point here is? All of those bullet points are similar if not identical to terms in other EULAs half the people in this thread have already clicked thru.

I’ll say it again, if you think this is anything new you haven’t been paying attention. I’m all for calling this fuckery out and pushing for something better. But like where yall been?

Still no actual answers from anyone on how this is ‘more’ than what I described in my op. Sure it’s a more detailed list, but it’s really not the “gotcha” everyone seems to think it is. That is, if youve been paying attention.

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 month ago

What point are you trying to make? You say you're "all for calling this kind of fuckery out" but then you're criticizing people for calling it out? And who cares what other EULAs might say? The point is that the license agreement for this game and others owned by this company didn't say this shit before, and now they do. The company is actively making their user agreement more hostile to the users which is what people are pissed about.

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[-] MummysLittleBloodSlut 31 points 1 month ago

Let's ride the wave. Turn this into a huge controversy known industry-wide. Then, next game that comes out with EULA like this, we say "THIS GAME HAS A BORDERLANDS-STYLE EULA". Pretend it's new to exploit the shock value and get the gamers riled up. Then, the industry gets better.

Tell the frog that the pot wasn't always this hot.

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

I see this kind of comment before and I will never understand it - "other companies do it so just bend over and let us do it to you too!"

People say this all the time about Denuvo too: "Other games already have Denuvo, why are you crying about it here when you're playing other games?"

And see, that's the problem - we aren't playing those other Denuvo games. And same thing applies here, guess what, a lot of us aren't buying games from gross companies like EA with these shit terms. So when a company we are doing business with suddenly changes their terms to be shit, that's a valid complaint. Some of us have already been boycotting bad business practices in the industry, so the idea of company changing terms towards the boycott after we've already invested in the game feels like a betrayal because it is.

So maybe stop focusing on what you assume the rest of audience is doing and instead go back to focusing on what the people at the goddamn podium are trying to pull?

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[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some people will always find an excuse to change nothing.

It doesn't matter how many similar EULA's people have already accepted. The best moment to not eat it anymore would have been the first time it happened, the second best time is right now.

Also, retroactively amending an EULA is a different quality, since people have already paid for the game and would be locked out after the fact if they didn't accept.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 month ago

So...if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see...really?

[-] RetroGoblet79@eviltoast.org 28 points 1 month ago

They know I use Linux and that means they know too much

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not a lot. Even when it isn't a flatpak windows software running on linux won't be able to interact with the system anywhere near as deeply as on windows.

They'll be able to tell it's linux, though.

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[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 111 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That. The content of the screenshot you posted. That is what's going on.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 91 points 1 month ago

Pirates are winning over my empathy.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

They've been my best friend for years

[-] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Piracy never gave me up, never let me down

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[-] Onyxonblack@lemm.ee 83 points 1 month ago

I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 month ago

Apart from the politics, the Borderlands games themselves are hardly utter shit for the most part.

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago
[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 63 points 1 month ago

🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

giving root level access to russian crackers instead

[-] RepleteLocum 35 points 1 month ago

If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.

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[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 month ago

I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago

See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data

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[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

A government that cares for is people would ban this shit and procecute any company trying to find ways around it.

[-] EnsignPacts@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

I checked the Steam depots. It seems the game files haven’t been updated since 2022. All that seems to have changed is some license agreement in February. Seems to be a thing across take two games, and not specific to borderlands 2.

Basically nothing has changed in real terms for this game. Maybe borderlands 4 might have draconian DRM, who knows.

[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago

Is this because Embracer sold Borderlands to Take-Two last year?

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the game's store page doesn't mention that it requires root access, like it does for some other games. am i missing something?

edit: the words "root" and "level" (ctrl+f'd each one separately) don't appear anywhere in the EULA. "access" shows up in a couple spots that definitely are NOT talking about root level access. i'm all about outrage over enshittification, but so far this sounds like bullshit

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

I only play AAA games on GeForce Now (cloud). If the game can't run on my Linux system or on the cloud, I ain't touching it. Also, there are so many wonderful games that do not require a colonoscopy into your personal data to be played.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They added spyware to it.

Here is excerpt from the tos, shared by user in steam reviews of the game.

important Info in Terms of Service:

• Mods are a bannable offense • Display of Cheats/Exploits is bannable • Forced arbitration clause and a waiver of class action and jury trial rights for all users residing in the United States and any other territory other than Australia, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, or The Territories of The European Economic Area • You can be banned for using a VPN while connecting to online servers • Cannot access game content on a Virtual PC

Collected Data Types: • Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address • Protected Characteristics: Age and gender • Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information • Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address • Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications • Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls) • Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest • Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting) • Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.

I wouldnt touch anything this company has produced.

[-] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted

[-] bimbimboy@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

I think it's up to the publisher, and not steam, to give the game away for free.

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[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 13 points 1 month ago

I'm assuming the post is actually about DRM operating at ring 0. That's not really root level though. That's kernel level. Root is still operating in user-mode and politely asking the kernel to interact with hardware.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

But it doesn't have the mandatory kernel level disclaimer either.

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