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[-] MangoPenguin 144 points 1 year ago

As long as they leave the local backup option that sounds like a good idea to me.

[-] simple@piefed.social 80 points 1 year ago

Makes sense., something as huge and expensive as Signal can't run entirely on donations.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Sure it can, just look at Wikipedia. But it's probably a good idea to have some alternate forms of revenue generation.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Wikipedia has way more donors, since it's basically the only one of its kind. There is no Big Tech alternative to Wikipedia, so everyone just uses it by default. There are lots of other messengers though, so Signal isn't the default choice.

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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 56 points 1 year ago

Good to see they have some reasonable revenue streams lined up.

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.org 40 points 1 year ago

At least this time they do it out in the open, not like with the MobileCoin integration.

[-] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

As long as they dont shove it down our throats, and then expand and expand and expand the features that are in their paid tier, and make you feel lesser for choosing their local only unpaid mode, and dont make the unpaid mode inconvenient with dark patterns.

Its happened too much, I've asked my friends to hop through so many different platforms over the years and decades

It always starts with something thats reasonable, and every time thus far, it expands into something I hate.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

Finally a good approach at raising money (other than donations)

[-] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 22 points 1 year ago

I have no issue with this, I personally wouldn't use it but I get that they need to make money (which is why i have a recurrent donation every month).

If this helps them to do that, then so be it

[-] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

If this feature rolls out but you can't pay for it. You can always use Molly (fork of signal). If you can support the project than do it. But if you can't than don't force your self

[-] dracs@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Switching to Molly won't necessarily give you free cloud backups. Someone will still need to pay for the storage costs.

[-] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago
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[-] qweertz@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago

Glad to see they are establishing useful streams of revenue

I, however, will continue using Molly in combination with Syncthing

[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Interesting, how do you use syncthing with molly?

[-] qweertz@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Well, if you didn't know, Molly is a soft fork of the Signal Android client.

But, I think both support making local backups of your chats.
I do so daily and keep two copies. These get synced in real time to my little NAS and/or my PC/Laptop

[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I do use Molly but never occured to me to use Syncthing to make a local backup copy. Great idea.

[-] qweertz@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Glad to be of help! I personally really like Syncthing, since it makes implementing a resilient decentralised backup strategy quite easy.

Though I would recommend you go with "Syncthing-Fork", as iirc the "vanilla" app was put into maintenance mode or smth like that

[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And another good tip - thank you!

[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I don't mind paying a fair price, for a service, so they should go for it. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I would pay for Telegram too, if the price was more fair...

[-] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't use Telegram, let alone pay for it. So many red flags with Telegram.

[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Feel free to list them - with evidence and not just prejudice...?

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago
  1. No end-to-end encryption by default, you have to explicitly start a secret chat. That means that instead of it all being encrypted noise, secret chats stand out.
  2. Servers are not open source (last time I checked). Why not? Seriously, why not?
  3. Admittedly, not much of an issue any more, but in the beginning they had horrible security (so did WhatsApp until Facebook threw some competent engineers at the problem)
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[-] en1gma@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Price is fair but features aren’t worth it.

[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

You contradict yourself. You can't say that the price is fair, for something that doesn't have the features that the price should cover.

[-] en1gma@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

All I am saying is that this price for premium would be fair for me if the features are valuable enough. Sometimes premiums are just too expensive even if they are good, so I boycott them.

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Excellent news honestly. Trying to get people to switch to something encrypted and the one thing I've thought of is that I want to know it can continue indefinitely. Everything else in life costs money- we just never think of it computer wise because we pay with our data and privacy.

This can join threema with a solid revenue stream. I back mine up locally but would pay for this anyhow.

[-] witty_username@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Would pay for

[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Signal backups are an issue. They keep growing. I need to look into a solution sooner or later that isn't just buying a phone with more space. I'd like to find ways to reduce the size and keep managing the backups myself, but that's gonna take time. If they offer a secure, private, and affordable service, I'd prolly just redirect my donations to that.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It would be nice if the backups were split into time-indexed files so I could move the old parts to cheap external hard drives and only keep recent backups on my expensive phone storage.

[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Would be great if we could save old backups on a server and search it from a client, instead of the current option of keeping everything in one local backup. The latter is a real problem after a while if you have contacts that like sending videos.

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[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

honestly thats why I don't like signal and simplex for people who send lots of images. something server-based is much more suitable for them, like Matrix. that is, if their apps were more stable. there's also the security about metadata, but for most people that's probably not a huge concern

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I commented this in the other thread, sharing it here as well

I’ve been waiting for this feature for a while actually 😅

When I last saw people talking about it, there were rumors that there would be a reasonable free backup (ex. up to 1 Gb) with relatively cheap paid options above that. I scrolled through the GitHub link and couldn’t confirm or deny if this is still/actually the case.

Backups are the #1 pain point for friends that tried to switch to Signal, especially for those on iOS. I have a local backup + sync setup for my own phone, but it’s a lot to expect for the average casual user to set up.

Whatsapp has backups to Google Drive, which is better than nothing but not ideal. It’s time Signal had a reliable backup method for casual users

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago

Cloud backups, for security!

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If anyone is actually going to get that right in a mainstream product, it will probably be Signal.

[-] jimmy@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago

Year according to a wiki page on the unofficial Signal wiki the backup will not be directly linked to the user "It appears that backups will not be directly linkable to a user. Authentication for operations against a given backup will use zero-knowledge proofs.".

[-] sonalder@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Imagine having to pay with it with MobileCoin's shitcoin ^^

[-] Matty_r@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Nice. I don't think I need this but its good to have options

[-] rozlav 3 points 1 year ago

Anyone knows about creating easily a signal account without smartphone ? Telegram does that and I have tremondous people that would use that instead of whatsapp/telegram and that don't understand matrix or even Mattermost 😭

[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Assuming you have a computer to get on here, you could use an Android emulator like BlueStacks.

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[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Telegram does that? how? you need a phone number, so essentially a smartphone too. or is it common in your community to use feature phones, so that the problem is no registration on PC?

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[-] mikarv@someone.elses.computer 2 points 1 year ago

@rozlav don’t need a smartphone, but do need access to a telephone number. it’s an important anti spam measure. you never have to use or display it: can operate entirely with signal usernames instead

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

As long as local backups don't go away this looks fine.

[-] obsidianfoxxy7870 2 points 11 months ago

As long as it's implicit right and is a reasonable price I 100% will be getting it. I am willing to pay someone else to securly hold my (e2ee) data.

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