Third truth, it’s not just Israeli leaders who are promoting the violence against Palestine, and many of those that do use their Judaism as a shield against criticism.
fourth truth, more White American Protestants defend the genocide than there are Jewish people in America so you gotta be careful
The fuck I do! Supporters of the genocide deserve to be called out no matter their religion, but it also needs to be called out when people support the genocide and utilize the charge of anti-semitism to justify it.
At this rate, “anti-semitism” is starting to mean anti-genocide.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in a two-state solution is a terrorist to me.
that was a general “you gotta be careful” and i didn’t mean you specifically XD
…until you went and composed that thoroughly self embarrassing message. now i mean it. be careful, you’re treading strange waters that are going nowhere.
Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it's a problem.
most Jewish people
Whether or not that's true, I don't think it's the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.
I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively
This certainly appears to be true.
My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me an antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.
So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.
Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza, in terms of international support from people not governments.
Edit - and as an aside, I think this new alignment indicates that a lot of the 20th century Western notions of political 'left' and 'right' are dead, 'liberalism' is a political double-speak (do you mean economic or social liberalism? Because they are at odds), and it isn't Russia v. the USA, because American oligarchs and wannabe strongmen are in perfect alignment with their Russian counterparts.
Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I'd love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel's actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.
Can we add a 3rd truth that hamas is a death cult that has no place in today’s world. I like all 3 things equally
only if there’s a fourth truth held also equally that hamas only exists due to the obscene conditions israel has created which also have no place in today’s world yet have been funded by some of the most wealthy nations, thereby entangling the web of both israeli and palestinian blood across generations decades and borders :)
And #4 that a people under brutal occupation has a right to resist, even armed resistance?
Man, someone should have told Bibi that before he funded Hamas for years. That's embarrassing!
Most likely by design. It annoys me that this doesn’t get brought up everyday
Also not mentioned too much is how Egypt and the other Muslim nations refuse to help or take people in from Gaza.
Repeat after me, antizionism is not antisemitism
Those are both true. Respond to that lie by criticizing the Israeli leaders who are propagating it.
There are more Jews outside of Israel than within. My family emigrated from Poland to the US to flee persecution by the Bolsheviks, prior to the founding of the state of Israel. I’ve protested with JVP against the Palestinian genocide in Grand Central. My story is not unique.
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Antisemitism will truly be defeated when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution, not when they've carved out their own ethnostate.
Unfortunately, I feel like these times call for explicit clarification in what should be obvious.
"...when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution.. for being Jewish" (but like everyone else can be held accountable as individuals for crimes including war crimes; that being Jewish doesn't turn prosecution into persecution)
The fact that this needs clarification is evidence that we do not deserve a future as a species.
JFC are we fucking idiots that this needs to be spelled the fuck out.
I'm so tired of being trapped in the middle of this psychotic Jewish psychodrama. Can we just agree to stop killing, starving, orphaning and mutilating kids?
US religious fanatics say no. Sorry.
best we can do is arrest and brutalize college kids while appointing real antisemites to high places in the white house apparently
Germany's government is also one million percent behind the gaza genocide.
Kind of reminds me of the brainwashing the media instituted about how covid was somehow a China thing and shortly after, people were attacking Asians because somehow or rather if you're Asian, suddenly covid was all your fault. It was also just another excuse for racists to act out. Humans really are just that dumb.
I hate that these cunts are starving children supposedly in my name. Fucking diabolical.
I don't advocate adventurism, but important to note that violence against jews is different than violence against Israeli state actors.
Just in case this meme is referencing the recent shooting of two Israeli Embassy workers. Again, I don't advocate adventurism, but it's important to recognize a distinction between violence directed at an ethnic group and violence directed at government officials.
This is so true. I remember hearing about the two Israeli officials who were shot and I was stuck thinking: " was this motivated out of antisemitism and he just happened to hit legitimate targets instead of some innocent folks, or was the guy actually acting out of rage and sadness for what he's seen in Gaza?". Nowadays it seems like you can't even tell immediately - like you've gotta wait for more info. It was a relief to find out that everyone who knew the shooter agreed that he was not antisemitic, and chose to platform justice for Gaza when asked about the shooter.
No, the only solution clearly is to light up the gas chambers again.
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All the "buts" in this thread are reflective of why these Israeli government arguments work.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
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