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Can we add a 3rd truth that hamas is a death cult that has no place in today’s world. I like all 3 things equally
only if there’s a fourth truth held also equally that hamas only exists due to the obscene conditions israel has created which also have no place in today’s world yet have been funded by some of the most wealthy nations, thereby entangling the web of both israeli and palestinian blood across generations decades and borders :)
Nope. Israel and the international community gave the Palestinians an opportunity to build industry and improve their conditions and live peacefully. They gave billions and billions for this purpose without restriction (apart from military - which as history shows, appears warranted). The Palestinian people voted in Hamas who had a mandate to destroy Israel - from what I can tell is based in religious fundamentalism. Instead of building their economy and educating their population they used the money to build tunnels and pay for thousands of rockets to be fired into Israel. This was a terrible choice and there’s no denying it was a gamble on the Palestinians behalf. One that if it payed off and went to plan (as was in their mandate) would have slowly lead to the destruction of Israel. Bad gamble. Didn’t pay off, the Palestinians have to accept voting in a government who said they will destroy Israel and then consistently carrying out that plan, has at least in some large part lead them to their current circumstances.
On a similar note. Why has there been no talk of how Benjamin Netanyahu was about to go to prison for corruption - then he tried to destroy the checks and balances on government. Then he got caught knowingly funding hamas’s October 7 attack. Clearly all to hold onto power yet no one talks about this anymore?
No
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/0000018b-47d9-d242-abef-57ff1be90000
And what an irony that you blame all of that on Palestine, but then also complain about the man who made sure to disrupt the people who wanted peace.
It’s only irony if you realize that what I am saying is that neither side is right or innocent. Both sides have expressed their shitty nature. Pretending one side is right does an injustice to those on both sides who actually are innocent and willing to bargain in good faith.
Can you point me to the part of my comments that make you think I’m a Zionist?
I know, it's the part where you put an equivalence between the Zionist occupiers and the resistance to that illegal occupation. Regardless of the ideology of the occupied people, they have a right to armed resistance enshrined in international law. The occupier has zero rights in this context, just the responsibility to end the occupation and until then, provide for the needs of the occupied, which Israel has utterly disregarded on both accounts. So saying "both are as bad" in this context makes you a clear supporter of the Zionist atrocities, the resistance is exercising it's human right to armed resistance to occupation. You know, like when jewish Partizans killed during WWII. Calling that equally as bad as the Nazis would in effect make you a Nazi supporter.
Yeh good one
This user is a victim of propaganda.
No this one is?
You know, hamas murder people for being gay right? How many dead gay people is enough for you?
I have yet to see any proof for this claim. As far as I know, Hamas doesn't kill queer people, at least not systematically. They face violence, no doubt about that and that's already bad enough, but stick to the facts here instead of making shit up.
Israel is no better, but you said it wasn't true, so I decided to correct you.
Just for clarification: I'm against what Israel is doing.
I didn't and won't argue against your second source. I know Hamas uses violence, sometimes even torture, against queer Palestinians, I'm not denying that. And the first source is just one of maybe a few instances, which is why I added "at least not systematically". The original comment just made it sound like Hamas systematically kills a lot of queer Palestinians or even to a similar extent as Israel killing Palestinians / Palestinian children, which just isn't the case.
The difference is Hamas would be doing this in peace times or in a world with no Israel. They are shit. Israel’s government are shit. Just weird defending such shitty people
Maybe, maybe not. I don't really like to judge people based on hypothetical assumptions. They are shit for various reasons, no doubt about that and I don't defend proven shitty actions by them, let alone the organization as a whole, I just think we should keep discourse factual, even if it's about groups we understandably don't like.
And #4 that a people under brutal occupation has a right to resist, even armed resistance?
Which part of Palestinian combatants being joined by non combatants and then invading and murdering and kidnapping 1200 civilians is considered “resisting.”
Man, someone should have told Bibi that before he funded Hamas for years. That's embarrassing!
Most likely by design. It annoys me that this doesn’t get brought up everyday
Also not mentioned too much is how Egypt and the other Muslim nations refuse to help or take people in from Gaza.
Ya never ever bring up that annoying little fact. Most of their neighbors would refuse them entrance. And a lot of of them are happy to arm them and fund the extremist behavior. It’s almost like the whole world is involved in this little proxy war! A microcosm of WW3
Why does it have to be Muslim countries?
They're geographically closer for one thing. They have a shared faith, this war is a rather relugious one. They shouldn't be the only countries accepting refugees, but they should certainly be among them.
Thank you for providing a thoughtful response.
Why does it have to be Muslim countries?
Only if we add in recognition that Hamas would not without Israel. You can kill two birds with one stone.
I got banned from a .blahaj community for saying "hamas bad" for, I quote, "Genocide apologia".
Some peep here are literal extremists.