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submitted 4 months ago by UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world to c/science@lemmy.world

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Not only is Trump leveling science funding at NASA, like he did with the National Science Foundation, but look closely at the budget. Beginning next year at 800 million and by 2030, 3.5 billion (nearly 20% of its budget), NASA is required to work towards “Commercial Moon and Mars Infrastructure and Transportation”. The ultimate subsidy for the commercial space sector.

They also eliminated STEM engagement program, which provided funding for the next generation of scientists to participate in NASA opportunities. I can’t wait for all this greatness Trump has been preaching to arrive.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 119 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So, we all know what's going on here, right? They're gutting any part of our society that relies on intellectual work and trying to compete with motherfucking robots to bring factories back. They want to cram everyone into sweatshops. The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.

E: well, at least the Roman space telescope lives on, I guess. I'm unreasonably excited for it; it's already built and just needs to be launched, basically.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.

Bold of you to assume they'll spring for nets.

[-] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Gotta protect your assets

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 48 points 4 months ago

It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.

[-] SCmSTR 16 points 4 months ago

Not sure that's true, but alright

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.

[-] SCmSTR 8 points 4 months ago

The great...Satan? ...Wat? Is that Europe orr... China?

[-] Netux@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.

When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.

[-] SCmSTR 10 points 4 months ago

It's like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country's history is.

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[-] S0me0neNew@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because you seem confused, "Satan" here would be America's insane and unstable government body who is openly trying to dismantle scientific and medical research/funding that could improve our futures and the world imho <3

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 4 months ago

I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Lol so... you just willfully ignore the shit they do...got it

Fuckin tankies.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 4 months ago

What you're doing is called a strawman.

Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I'm saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Lol no a strawman is presenting a different argument than what's being discussed. I said nothing of the sort and just called you out for your bullshit tankie thoughts. The USA isn't some bastion of freedom, but to act like china or russia is better by ignoring the shit they're currently doing is full on tankie ignorance.

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[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Israel runs over people with its US tanks and it's the 51st state, so, let's not throw stones in this big shitty glass house?

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Thanks for the whataboutism. Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.

I don’t need everyone else to be perfect to level valid criticism.

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[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

we’ll all be better off if the Great Satan isn’t the center of scientific progress.

No, I wouldn't be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.

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[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.

Only if China finally gets to choose their own leaders. Until then it is fucked up even worse.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 5 points 4 months ago

Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?

China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Their housing bubble is a nightmare

You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.

their currency is not desirable

That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.

all their factory jobs are going overseas.

That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.

I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.

But China is at least stable as a trading partner.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker’s rights, no proper democracy, etc.

"BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME"

I wish I had a dime every time I see ridiculous false equivalent nonsense on the internet.

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not that stable. Source: am Canadian. See Meng Wanzhou and the Michaels, and the police stations.

China: Don't meddle in our internal affairs.

Also China: We are going to meddle in your internal affairs.

The Chinese use trade as a weapon more than anyone but the US right now.

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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago

Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The truth is though the CCP’s already sending tons of rovers to the moon

Wow just think how much more they could accomplish if they could chose their own leaders and say things they wanted to say without being thrown in jail and tortured or killed and their capital was in Taipei and they weren't held back by a ruthless dictator who was only supposed to be a dictator for 10 years but decided he wanted to remain dictator for life.

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[-] tonytins@pawb.social 7 points 4 months ago

Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.

Gee, that sounds familiar.

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah but they didn't have a Trump as a trump card

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

China is dying

Hahaha y’all been saying that for a decade already don’t you get bored?

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[-] tonytins@pawb.social 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So, Trump wants NASA to get to the Moon and Mars by 2030 while on a slashed budget with limited scientists? Get ready for more spacecraft to drop out of the sky.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 41 points 4 months ago

No, Trump does not want NASA to get to the Moon or Mars.

Trump wants NASA to be a tool that funnel money from the government to billionaires, aka Musk and Bezos

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Nu-uh magic Musk is going to fix all our problems.

[-] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Sadly, getting more places with less money is absolutely possible, but the key to making it happen is abandoning planetary science. It’s a shift from a paradigm where engineering exists to support planetary science efforts to engineering for engineering’s sake

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

Don’t forget that women and marginalized populations are now being discriminated against.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago

Now?

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

More openly than before with even less recourse.

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

You can shame them, now they wear it like a badge of honour.

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[-] mriormro@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

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[-] cryoistalline@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago

I seriously don't understand why he is doing this. Isn't trump friends with eslong musk? The way i'm seeing this is cutting the budget for nasa would only go against elon. If he wanted to save money, then he should have just cut military spending.