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Originally it was going to be "over the last twenty years" but I decided to be more flexible.

A lot of discussions about how society has changed or how the world is different always circle around to smartphones, social media, "no one talks to each other in person, they're on their phones always" and the like.

Outside of those topics, what else has changed, by your perception?

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[-] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago

Isolation of individuals and the growing loss of ownership of, well, everything.

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The world has less colour.

This isn't a dramatic "I'm depressed" post, though that is a factor. Nature is still nature-coloured, for one, and it still looks lovely.

I mean that like, you'd go outside and look at the cars and see a rainbow of colours. Now it's all black, silver, or white. You only see colorful cars if they are really old beat up rustbuckets or if they are brand new luxury vehicles used by super rich people.

Buildings too. Businesses and the buildings they set up shop in would be painted with garish, eye popping colour. Now everything trends towards landlord-beige.

Edit: And it should be noted, this happened for a reason, and I am aware of that reason, and that just makes me crankier.

[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I've noticed that as well, most cities in the States are all different shades of brown and grey. It's kinda sad to see.

I always assumed that bland colors were easier to maintain and appealed to more people. But by God let's not have any color in the world because of resale value...

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

easier to maintain

The thing is

they're kinda not?

Grey("Silver") on cars kinda is in the sense that it "hides" dirt, but like, that particular shade of landlord beige they use on buildings? That becomes an ugly colour within weeks of exposure to the elements. And would require constant repainting to stay looking good.

It's all about that resale value and the fact that nowadays no one buys anything expecting to keep it for very long. So the less "personal" things are, the better to pass them along.

[-] Waffle@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

No third places.

[-] Flickerby@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

There's not as many people outside just....existing. I'm not that old but I remember just going outside and seeing people just not doing anything in particular everywhere, now it seems like everyone always has some place to rush to and no one is allowed to just exist in public places anymore. Maybe that also has something to do with my perspective shifting has I got older, but I still feel like it's true.

Also bugs. There are like NO fucking bugs anymore. Couple decades ago you could walk out and get sandblasted by a million different bugs and now everything just feels so fucking dead and sterile and depressed. It's like outside was replaced by a clinic and no one bothered to complain.

[-] Devmapall@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The bug thing seriously worries me

I remember so many more bugs as a child. I haven't needed mosquito spray in quite a while even while hiking

I live in a massive city and you’ll see loads of people just existing all the time.

I used to think the same about bugs too but I see shit loads when walking near trees and in the woods or down canals. Even my car still murders 100’s on a commute to work. Headed you don’t see them in city centre but that’s just hygiene is better now. IMO

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

From an artistic perspective, self-"publishing" (and I use quotations quite on purpose), changed writing as we know it and drastically dropped the average reading level of the public since now any chimp can bang their fist on a keyboard for an hour, upload it to Amazon and call themselves an "author" beside Stephen King or Umberto Eco.

It was always hailed as "the end of the so-called gatekeepers". Without stopping to realise that gatekeepers/publishers exist for a reason. So that the public zeitgeist isn't completely overrun with utter crap.

The response to having your short story or novel rejected used to be "okay...I'll learn, practice and get better for the next time." Now, it's "screw you...I'll pollute the zeitgeist with my 3rd grade level grammar nightmare with or without you and put it right up there on the shelf next to the actual writers."

Just imagine if a doctor flunked out of med-school, and instead of trying harder, just said "screw you, I'm going to open up my own surgery and put it right next door to you and there's nothing you can do to stop me...."

What a crazy stupid world we live in.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago

Writing is an art, anyone should be able to do it and judge for themselves whether their work is good enough to share, and just because it's been published doesn't mean you have to read it. I would rather have to actively look for a book to read next via reviews than have what's on the market mostly controlled by some businesses.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Writing is so much more than just art though. Writing is also education. Writing is also a chronicle of culture and of history. Writing educates us about our past and our future and our present in a way that goes beyond statistics, dates, figures and memorised names. It, in a way that other art forms can only touch on, enriches our understanding of ourselves as a species and our place in the world

We know, at least in part, about Antebellum south, not just by reading history texts, but by reading Mark Twain. Our knowledge of the dustbowl is similarly enriched by Steinbeck. Thanks to Homer, Ovid, and others, Ancient Rome isn't just dusty stats and numbers, it's a living breathing history that you don't get from history books. Thanks to Orwell and Huxley we can look at our present world and see warnings rather than being completely blindsided by current events.

THAT is the power of writing.

And you're saying that this generation's contribution to that; this generation's contribution to the future's understanding of us is some asshole's Edward Cullen Slash fic?

That's ridiculous.

Am I elitist in this opinion? ABSOLUTELY. UNASHAMEDLY. It's too important NOT to be.

You want to write your own dumb-ass crap, that's perfectly fine. We ALL did that. We used to write it, share it among our friends and family, have a good laugh about it, and then put it in a drawer and never think about them again. I myself have a filing cabinet FULL of those things.

But what we didn't do (at least not in the mass numbers technology allows us to do now), is enshrine those horrible pieces of shit into the zeitgeist just because it's free to do so on fucking Amazon. We didn't pollute this generations contribution to the future with our own laugable crap just because we could.

Some people eventually got good enough that our work deserved to be included in that zeitgeist, even if it was just a couple of short stories making it past the so-called "gate-keepers". But more of us didn't, and never would.

We still write, because you are absolutely right in that a person who wants to write their own crap without bothering to learn, or get better, or even understand what makes good writing "good" in the first place, is welcome to do so. It's a very welcoming art form in that respect.

But leave what gets remembered by history to the people who are actually fucking good at it.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

What's going to be remembered are the things that are truly worthwhile. I for one have no problem looking stupid in front of the other generations if it means there's more creativity and knowledge being spread around.

I believe your view on this matter is due largely in part to the fact that so much content nowadays is easily accessible and quality control doesn't happen behind closed doors nearly as much anymore. You are seeing with your own eyes a bunch of dumb shit that would usually get rejected by publishers instead of the general public. But if some are as bad as you say they are, then they'll get rejected all the same. You really think someone in 50 years will be reading some trashy hunger games ripoff? No, they'll be reading what's actually worthwhile. With freedom comes choice, and with choice comes confusion and the option to choose wrong. I still prefer freedom. If you want to protect the sanctity of writing or something like that, support authors who you think do good work, don't complain about the stupid ones.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

But if some are as bad as you say they are, then they’ll get rejected all the same

Oh I don't disagree with you on that.

However, because the barrier to entry is gone, and even financially there's no barrier to getting your work out there, even rejection isn't enough to curtail the slop.

First "self-published" novel got 1 review that literally called it "an atrocity worthy of the Nuremburg trials"? Who cares. Publish that sequel...and the sequel after that. There's literally no incentive to get better and no dis-incentive to prevent it no matter how crap the work might be.

The only real incentive anymore to stop publishing your glorious 12-volumes-and-counting epic story about a space wizard that has never actually sold a single copy is literally self-shame, which, in art circles, is not a common commodity.

So regardless of whether or not they are being read, or purchased, they're still just taking up more and more space. Adding more and more static to the crap that the future is going to have to sift through.

To me, anyway, it has less to do with gate-keeping and more to do with curation.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Curation is more than possible no matter what volume of titles there are. Review sites, recommendations, etc. are good places to start. I would rather spend 10 minutes for every book I read verifying that other people enjoyed it than one single book anywhere be judged unfairly just because the author is bad at dealing with publishers, or the book contains content that publishers would see as obscene or offensive, and is thus cut off from ever being read by a stranger.

Books that very few people enjoy are also going to be a lot rarer (even in digital copies) than books that many people enjoy. The creme of the crop is always going to be made pretty obvious.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I admire your optimism about cream rising to the top. But I just can't share it.

The average person isn't going to spend an hour digging through a literal trash-heap on Amazon in order to find something worth their time. They'll give up after five minutes of reading terrible review after terrible review and then go find something else to do with their time.

And thus the collective intelligence of humanity drops; not because they're actually reading all of this white noise of self-published crap. But because they're not reading at all because of the effort it takes to weed through it at the book store (digital or otherwise).

The best example I can give is how "Oprah's Book Club" (am I giving away how damn old I am yet?) got people reading. They read because they didn't have to go and find this stuff themselves. Someone curated it for them, told them "Hey...this is good".

If the average reader didn't have Oprah and had to dig through five thousand Amazon self-published "suggestions" before stumbling onto Toni Morrison or Push by Sapphire, they're quickly go doom scroll Facebook instead.

Like I said, I admire your optimism and a part of me wishes I could share it. But the idea that the lack of any accountability for self-"published" drivel completely muddies any real "discover-ability" of the actual good stuff is a hill that my elitist ass will happily die on.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I know this will sound really condescending, but you can sort entries by highest ratings on any good website. You do not actually have to browse through every single book ever made.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

No worries. I freely admit that my entire opinion on the subject of self-publishing is elitist and condescending as all hell. So I can put on my big-boy pants and take a bit of my own medicine back. No worries.

But no, I didn't take your response as condescending. You're right that a person can sort and filter. But a filter should almost be an option, not a necessity. I'll happily sort by genre, or page count, or yes...even ratings, to find something interesting to me.

But I shouldn't have to have a button that says "sort out any crap that hasn't even gone through a cursory elementary school grammar course". There's a line in the sand of what should and shouldn't be acceptable in any business environment that nominally wants people to spend money with them, and "making my customers weed out unprofessional garbage" should (IMO) be that line. Amazon, Kobo, or wherever, should at the bare minimum be telling people front and centre, "this is the minimum level of quality you can expect...feel free to sort however you like, but we at least guarantee that every book will meet a certain level of literacy."

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

We seem to be operating on very different frameworks of thought. I've made my case to you in its entirety and you are not satisfied with it, there aren't any more details I can include that you might be missing, so I think that's where this discussion ends. We simply have different values, and I'm ill-equipped with hard evidence to attempt to change yours. In any case, thank you for being so polite while we argued this subject. It's nice to see other people trying to start a tradition of not blowing up at each other on these new social sites, unlike Reddit. I hope the next book you read is immensely satisfying.

[-] SecretCobra85@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I think for me in my country it would be the collapse of the social contract. The bonds that society regulates itself.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 week ago

It is now no longer social suicide to not drink.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

Sometimes I forget that smoking is a thing, and then (after sometimes a whole year) I see someone doing it, and I’m like, “woah, people still smoke.” It was everywhere when I was a kid—even inside restaurants.

[-] Catoblepas 37 points 1 week ago

“Nonsmoking section” that wasn’t even a separate room, just a half wall divider 🫠

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From an American perspective, flying on an airplane sucks. 9/11/01 resulted in a whole bunch of security theatre at the airport and airlines have slowly whittled away whatever comfort or convience remained.

[-] Catoblepas 39 points 1 week ago

Remember being able to walk people to their gate, hug them goodbye, and watch the plane leave? Now you can only do this if you’re taking an unaccompanied minor to their gate.

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[-] hypna@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago

When I was in high school, gay was the generic negative word. If Wendys gave you a medium fry when you ordered a large - gay. If your homie cancelled plans last minute - gay. If you slipped on the stairs and busted your ass - gay. It's bizarre in hindsight.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The rednecks around me have taught their children to use "gay" as an insult

[-] 200ok@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Kids are still mean, they just use different words now

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah. The way bullying happens seems to have changed since my time.

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[-] Kattiydid@slrpnk.net 63 points 1 week ago

I grew up in the farm-y outskirts of a big-ish city. I got to catch lizards and tadpoles and toads in the creek nearby, and we'd collect reeds from cattails and weave them into little mats for fun. we'd walk/bike to our friends house without parents, just yell that your going to so and so's and off you trot. We knew the farmer who grew the sweet corn we ate all summer, and the farmers who had the peach orchard and tomato fields we'd harvest from at the end of summer to can cheap produce for the winter.
The foothills behind our neighborhood were covered with grass and shrub, spattered with bike trails and caves right up to the tree line. There were foxes and racoons that you'd need to protect your chickens from. Deer would chill in our yard in fall eating the fallen Apples from around our trees. Flocks of starlings covered our huge cottonwood trees making a huge racket and pooping everywhere. I'd take a metal baseball bat to our big metal clothesline post to make a big gong noise to scare them off cuz they were so loud.

Then a fence went up, blocking us from using the hills, and they started construction on a bunch of high end mc mansions. They filled in the caves, killed the foxes and racoons, and paved over the creek to make a walking trail. More and more deer ended up as roadkill till they stopped coming to eat the apples altogether. Developers bought out the farmers to build more houses, first the tomato fields, then the corn, and finally the peaches were ripped out and paved over. The dairy became a giant strip mall for a Staples, and a Kohl's, a donut shop and a sandwich shop. The road I walked alongside, barefoot, to play in the creek became too busy to be safe for kids to walk next to.

In summer we'd play outside and drink from the hose till we were too hot, then we'd run inside and stand under the swamp cooler to cool down. Year after year it got hotter and hotter till the heat was too much and we couldn't play outside for too long because the swamp cooler wasn't enough to cool us down anymore. In winter we used to make snow men and build igloos with buckets full of snow as bricks, and we'd trample paths into the snow drifts that came up to our hips. But year after year the snow banks got shorter and shorter and the snow came later and later until... I remember the first year we had no snow till after Christmas. The decorations looked so sad and stupid sitting on brown grass instead of coated with bright snow. That's the last year I bothered to put them up. The more people moved to the area, the thicker the smog got in the winter. All the stagnant stinky car exhaust and fumes from the refinery got caught in the bowl of the valley all winter, till the hazy air was so dense you couldn't see the mountains that surrounded us.

The world got hotter and more full of cars and houses all while the people got more stranded inside. Yes by the lure of Internet, but also to try to escape the heat and dust and smog. New neighbors in the big houses would snap at us to get off their lawn then smile like they gave a fuck the next Sunday at church.

Neighborhoods full of community became individuals in houses.

I'm only 34.

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[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We used to take for granted that everybody agreed Nazis and Russians were bad.

Nothing against Russians suffering under Putin's boot. We have a whole new sympathy for you now.

[-] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 44 points 1 week ago

I've noticed an increase in noticing other people being not well, but a decrease in the depth that people care. It used to feel that you might have one or two friends who cared about you deeply. They'd drop everything to help and wouldn't ask for anything in return. Now it seems like everyone cares about everyone but not enough to actually do anything.

[-] SnotFlickerman 54 points 1 week ago

It's more like everyone is literally at their limit for taking care of themselves and literally has no energy leftover for others.

I think this is purposeful to socially divide us.

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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

The death of appointment television.

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[-] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In the states anyway, our sense of community has almost vanished. Rather than concerning ourselves with improving society, we have become a nation of de facto sovereign citizens, all of us competing with everyone else.

Even common courtesy has gone down the shitter. On the roads, at retail establishments, everything is a fight. Shove your way past everyone or you're weak.

[-] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Hats, almost completely removed from formal settings and now only in informal settings.

People have a much more rigid and accurate sense of time. You don't meet for lunch, you meet at 12pm on the dot. People don't wait for someone for half an hour, they wait like 5 minutes or so.

People talk much more openly about problems and their views. When I was young people didn't really talk about religion, politics, medical issues, and so on in public. Now people will tell you they are on an antidepressant or LGBT+ and be open about things.

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[-] naught101@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  • People are way more free to talk about their mental health problems.
  • Climate change is part of mainstream awareness, most people want to see action on it.
  • Gays and lesbians are very broadly accepted in many parts of the world. Trans people are too (and they are more visible), even if there is also a culture war backlash.
  • Nearly everyone hates capitalism. Not everyone has figured out what needs to be done about it, but it's a good start.
  • Conspiracy thinking is more rampant, presumably because of internet (mis/dis)information bubbles

(I was born in the early 80s, so this is over the last 30ish years, since the mid 90s)

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[-] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Kids are way nicer now. Kids in my day were brutal and violent. Most things have improved. People are more aware of dangers to kids now so there are stronger safeguards. Kids are better protected by laws so violence against them is getting less common. Women actually make pretty good money now and aren't restricted to secretary like roles and there's less jokes that the woman is a secretary. I had never seen female ceos. They just didn't exist. Now women can scam the public just as well as men 🤣 There's still a long way to go but things are a lot better. Gay people aren't dying of AIDS as much anymore and people will touch gay people without a problem. When I was growing up people believed gay men might be carrying AIDS and would not touch them. Thanks princess di for your work on this. Racial diversity is so much better now. Like women, people of color did not make CEO frequently. It's still being worked on, but it's gotten better. Racism itself has gotten better, kids don't say racial slurs to one another.

As far as environment there was a time when in the US we would celebrate some new technology innovation or infrastructure innovation. I remember when Boeing released a new plane and everyone was like wow so cool, this is redefining planes.

But we have not had that in years. Our desire to be top in tech or science is gone. We used to want to be the best infrastructure, top of the line water treatment and getting to different space discoveries FIRST. Being part of nasa was a huge dream for many kids to just explore the planets.

Now china has all this high speed transit and we have decaying pipes. In my childhood, this would not have been accepted. China was frowned upon.

Other countries have gotten better to the point they surpassed us. When I would visit Mexico it would be to help build in rural areas. Now our rural areas are further decrepit than anything I saw there back then and Mexico City is a vibrant bustling gorgeous place.

One visit to Apalachia and I have wondered how America got this way.

There was also a lot more stress around decorum. This one was a double edged sword. People cared a lot about how they were perceived to the point of committing heinous acts to cover up the slightest insult to their character or perception. Now, it's more free. We don't keep up with the Joneses on the level it was back then. Being loud or dressing any type of way means nothing. It's all good.

But that has also led to the open and blatant acceptance of things like felonious behavior and led to what we have now. This kind of scandal would never have flown.

But then again, no woman could have ever HOPED to run for president.

There is also a lot more macro interests. I believe the people have more power now. Before, you had to listen to what's on the radio. You had to watch why's on tv. Trends could be fully controlled by the owners of these resources. Now your friend can post a video of their thermos surviving a car accident and suddenly a company who's entire perception could not have possibly entered mainstream can. There is more freedom as a macro economy, you can truly access what interests you. This also leads to "too much choice" sometimes but it's definitely awesome for some of us with unique interests. It has also leveled the playing field in way for trends to be able to match without extreme financial backing. You don't have to be part of the big guys for your song or dance to go viral. You can have a niche on YouTube and make a living on commentary videos. You could not do this before.

Finally, the access to tech has not only improved our lives but brought a level of freedom unheard of. In my day, only movie studios had the tools to make media. Now people can express themselves with minimal financial investment. People are creating at levels never seen before because they finally have access to tools needed for it. Microphones, software, cameras, painting classes, and the world has distinctly become more and more creative and colorful. This is also helped by the less keeping up with the Joneses worrying about their perception thing. The more free we are in creating and expression, the more diverse and beautiful our works get. And yes I think it's cool people can openly create furry porn and then connect with others who like it. This is truly something unimaginable to my generation. Our weirdness was violently oppressed. Now we out here turning that violence into twilight fanfics that spawn movie franchises.

You win some you lose some.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

I've been arrested, held up at gun point, and spent a few weeks in a Texas jail in the 90s because I like smoking weed. Now I have 3 weed stores within 2 miles of me, and it's as mundane as buying a loaf of bread. So that's a positive in my book.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

In not particular order, and a kind reminder that I'm not from US so some things may look different if you are from there:

People are far noisier, as there is less concerns by being judged by your neighbors. People used to behave purely out of shame. Now the shame is gone and people are wild.

Vast increase in dog ownership. There's literally more dog than small kids in my country from several years now.

Vast increase in immigration. Statistics are weird here, as we give citizenship to a great amount of migrants in just two years, and here is illegal to record statistics based on ethnicity, country of origin or any aspect that would identify anyone's ancestry. But my neighborhood went to 90-10 national-immigrant to 40-60. I live in a poor neighborhood so it's not the same in all parts of the country, but immigration increase is there and it's a big change.

Less violence overall. Street violence overall seems lower. Also there's less of a terrorists threat as we used to have (there were several active terrorists groups here that are now gone).

A housing problem. People used to get a house without issues. Now it's one of the biggest issues of young people.

Increase of tolerance towards homosexuality. It's view as something very normal nowadays I think, and it use not to be that way.

Increase of equality between men and women. Direct discrimination is completely outlaw and hard to see. Indirect discrimination may still exist but is on a all time low. Most bosses I have had in all my jobs have been women (for giving a small example).

People go on vacation more often and further away. When I was young people used to just go one time a year on vacation, most of the time to a national place. Now people go several times a year to foreign countries, and "travel" have become the most important thing in many people's lives (how many dating profiles have I seen in which the person pointed traveling as their life moto).

Most people have university studies. It didn't used to be that way.

There's probably much more. Those are the first things that came into my mind.

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