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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

This is, entirely unironically, the central tenant of the Catholic teaching on the subject.

It really does just boil down to "You can't adjudicate the morality of the Divine." And, for the most part, its a line of reasoning that hierarchical social structures condition us to accept. God is just the CEO of the Universe. If you accept that your boss at the toxic waste and murder machines factory is Beyond Good and Evil, believing it about God is downright trivial.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

One of the earliest forms of copium

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I tell this story a lot but as an escaped Xtian the thing that marks the moment I was fully off board with the church was hearing those magic words 'God works in mysterious ways'. I had heard it so many times because of course they say it all the freaking time but that was the time it really clicked for me that I won't be getting any real answers and can stop pretending.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 28 points 2 months ago

"He gave us free will" aka he doesn't want to.

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[-] dink@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

A: He can't.

Dude forgot to add himself as admin.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

this user does not have sudo access

this incident will be reported.

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[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

According to Isiah 45:7 it’s C.

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things”

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Cool - let's worship that!

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The god the Abrahamists have chosen to worship is a weather and war god. So he is a vengeful dick.

When the Israelites were still polytheistic they worshipped, besides this war god, a sun god and a god of fertility in the Pantheon. Yet they’ve chosen to solely worship the war god. Says a lot about them.

[-] yoriaiko 12 points 2 months ago

Please let me remake this:

A. He can't, so he is not worthy being worshiped.

B. He doesn't want, so he is not worthy being worshiped.

C. He causes them, so... uhm, actually maybe? Depends, is He doing terrible things to me and my friends, or my enemies?

D. He doesn't exist, so he is not worthy being worshiped.

[-] yoriaiko 7 points 2 months ago

Side comment - C is obviously excuse to let us do terrible things to them. If You like being evil, surem that do work.

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[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Growing up as an agnostic atheist, I loved the Epicurean argument. Now as an adult, I feel compelled to ask the definitions of the words Good, Evil, and God before talking about things.

I think most of the arguments surrounding these topics involves complex use of metaphors and abstract concepts that people can spend lifetimes defining, but are happy to argue about in a short form without a mutually agreed definition.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

I don’t know. At this point I’m leaning toward C.

[-] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

Me too, but only because I very strongly lean toward "god was created by man" rather than the other way around.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Really if you believe that God created the universe, then C logically follows.

But if we were created in the image of God, then B is very likely, too. Just look at what we do to characters that we create in The Sims.

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[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago
[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yes, he didn't exist until he was invented. 😁🫠

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs.

[-] mothersprotege@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth!

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

He caused it/allowed it to happen because he wants to test YOUR faith and make sure you're cool with needless pain and suffering so long as it means you get to go to heaven/avoid an eternity of torture.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I make my room filthy and dangerous every day. My roommates are getting hurt!

Why doesn't my mom clean it up for me? She certainly could. Does she want me to live in squalor? Perhaps she MAKES the mess!

IDK, maybe mom doesn't exist.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Does your mom...

Put eye parasites that blind children in your room?

Force you to eat and breathe through the same tube?

Give you horrible cancers?

Put drugs in your room and then get mad when you use them?

Tell you to love her unconditionally after doing all of these things?

[-] sabin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

So anything bad that ever happens to you is your own fault?

Do you just walk around through life assuming cancer patients did something awful to deserve their disease? Cause that's the only way this analogy makes any sense...

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[-] cicyphus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

No one claims your mom is omnipotent and omnipresent you eggplant. And if they did, you’d think nothing of such a ridiculous claim. Which is what a rational person would do.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Your mother, the allpowerful being.

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[-] match@pawb.social 6 points 2 months ago

there is a fucked up fifth answer that works for theists, E. terrible things don't exist

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago
[-] Dalkor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

F is just B with rose tinted glasses.

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[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

we are just bald monkeys, stop pretending otherwise

go fuck a banana!

[-] Letmecalux5@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

In Buddhism, the concept of God as a powerful creator is not central. The question of "why terrible things happen" is addressed through the teachings of karma and interdependence. Terrible things occur due to the collective actions aka karma of beings, influenced by ignorance, attachment, and aversion, rather than a deliberate act of a deity. Thus, from a Buddhist perspective, the most aligned answer would be that terrible things happen because of the causes and conditions created by sentient beings themselves, rather than any of the options listed.

[-] mantra@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

It's all a test. If you can't put up with horrible shit while being alive, how you gonna become an angelic slave and sing happy songs for eternity?

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Think about the following:

In the medieval ages, people were popping out 5-15 children on average. Child mortality was extremely high, with roughly 80% of children dying before they were 5 y/o.

Now, what should god do (if they existed)? Let the children life and cause overpopulation, which leads to famine and disaster, or kill a lot of children? There's literally no solution.

That was until contraceptives were found. And interestingly, contraceptives exist at roughly the same time that antibiotics exist, thus preventing both high child-mortality and overpopulation.

[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Funny ideas but completely wrong. Contraceptives existed throughout the human history. And antibiotics were discovered a bit later than Haber dealt with overpopulation problem.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Their logic would be

C

If something bad happens to someone it’s because they deserved it

“But they were a good person”

They were going to do something terrible

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[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 4 points 2 months ago

It's just that the model of divinity as an lawful authority is complete bullshit, and has nothing to do with spirituality

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