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[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 275 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have friends who immigrated to the Netherlands and then complained that "all these emigrants ruined the Netherlands".... I was blown away...

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

Is your friend white while complaining about non-white emigrants?

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 41 points 4 days ago

Well that depends on who you ask of course, white is not a constant, but if you ask them, yes.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

They aren't anti-immigration, they're racist.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

If a racist says you're not white, they'll kill you over your protests. They may even pretend to think you're white up until you're useless to them.

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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Western expats in Japan are notorious for hating every other Western expat in Japan. It's even got a name, "My Japan Syndrome".

[-] merdaverse@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Very common to hear this. I've heard family that were complaining that male only, illegal immigrants are moving in to steal jobs, when they were exactly in the same situation, just on the other side, some 20 years ago. It honestly shakes my hope in humanity.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’m a descendant of immigrants in the Netherlands and there is definitely a small subset of 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants who is ruining it for all immigrants. PVV would have never been voted in as the biggest party if the parents (who never bothered to integrate and to learn the language) of these trouble making 2nd/3rd gen migrants weren’t given permanent residency.

30 years ago people who pointed out the problems these non integrated migrants could cause in the future were labeled racists by the left wing parties at the time, even though the leader of the socialist party warned about this. The labor party who was in power at the time also didn’t bother to tackle this issue, since they relied on the immigrant vote. And now since the Muslims started their own center right conservative party, labor lost a big voting block and the fascists are in power because people have had it with the inaction of the labor party.

Same thing is happening with the refugees. The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status and who are committing crimes have soured people's attitudes towards the real refugees. Towns that were once welcoming towards refugees want to see the refugee center in their town gone.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 days ago

Same thing is happening with the refugees.

Yes they are being used as a straw man to scare and polarize people.

The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status and who are committing crimes have soured people's attitudes towards the real refugees.

And it is working.

[-] jwt@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Are you familiar with the situation in the Netherlands? Because points OP raises are not really polarizing in the Netherlands. Maybe you're for example misunderstanding the phrase 'The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status' because some parts got lost in translation ?

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I live in Denmark, I'm a "non-EU" person, but I'm here based on my skilled work. I do stuff, I am useful. So I have nothing against immigration in general, only against the part of immigration walking around malls in their slippers at 1 p.m., because they still haven't spent all the money they got by faking disability.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago

This is a good time to remind everyone that not all disabilities are visible.

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 8 points 3 days ago

Also that personality disorders look "normal" when societies encourage, promote, and reward personality disorders.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 59 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How do you know they fake disability?

How do we know you are not faking being skilled?

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 52 points 4 days ago

Moreover: even if they were disabled: does that somehow forbid them from buying things at the mall? Would it be different if they had different footwear? Are disability payments even enough for them to be able to afford to spend on frivolous things? Even if they are, is being disabled a good reason to forbid someone from buying frivolous things? If they're buying necessities, isn't it nicer for everyone else if the people who have the time to do their groceries outside rush hours do so then so the registers are less crowded?

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

I do stuff, I am useful.

So go do stuff and stop trying to control what other people do in their days off.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

So basically you just like to shit on less fortunate people. Class act.

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[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

It has nothing to do with immigration, the native citizens can do this all the same, and some probably do.

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[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 37 points 3 days ago

They are playing 4D chess: Dumbass, Disturbed, Duped, and Derpy are the four Ds.

[-] Fontasia@feddit.nl 51 points 4 days ago

Nostalgia for being oppressed is in full force.

"Ștefan Șerban, 69, sitting on a bench with his friend Nicolae Carja, 74, said life had been better under the former Communist dictator, Nicolae Ceauşescu. “We were a rich country then,” he said. “Industry, petrol, gas, goldmines. And no debt.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/17/between-a-mathematician-and-a-trump-loving-hooligan-romania-stark-presidential-choice

[-] drewcarreyfan@lemm.ee 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I swear to God, I feel like the global rise in far-right parties has less to do with any kind of global cabal, and more to do with the fact that Boomers everywhere are powered by nostalgia. Seems like Boomers everywhere will stop at nothing to bring back the world of their parents that they never experienced.

Just look at how much of Russia's foreign policy is basically "damn, remember when we were the USSR?"

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Not just boomers, Gen x. They're literally more willing to believe that the earth shifted into an alternate universe before they're willing to believe their own memory is fallible.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

USSR foreign policy was basically "Damn, remember when we were an empire?"

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 33 points 4 days ago

like all russian pensioners saying life was better under stalin since they could just move into an apartment of the people whose whole family was killed.

[-] CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

"They yearn for the mines".

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Except it became so expensive to run them.

Similar thing happened to the copper mines of Hungary, at one point it became so expensive to mine it was cheaper and easier to shut them off, at least temporarily. We potentially even have some gold in the same mine, it's just allegedly so deep no current technology is able to mine them.

Same with the local closed coalmines, but with environmental concerns, and my house is sinking because of them. However, there's way more conspiracy theory is out there about them.

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[-] martin4598@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Rich? They were poor AF and everybody knew it, it was a rolling joke in the west.

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 64 points 4 days ago

I had managed to keep myself entertained this morning and not fret about this but... yeah, nope, there you are, anxiety, I guess you didn't go far.

Here's hoping that a bunch of Romanians woke up a little. With how low participation typically is people could figure this out if they could get over their whole "politicians are just thieves" deal for five minutes for anything but supporting Russian nazis.

I'm gonna go see if I can get myself distracted again. Good luck to everybody voting today.

[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

The liberal won the election in Romania

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

Please. The Western European, anti-immigrant voting slavs have nothing on our North American balcanic compatriots. We vote right in record proportions! For example the Canadian Bulgarians voted twice harder for the Revival party.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Please don't blame the minority of a minority, majority of which can't vote yet.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

We can though. Yes it was a minority of a minority and not likely to have made a difference. I blame everyone who voted for the end of democracy, human rights, rule of law, but especially those who voted most against their own interest

Latinos and people from West Virginia. wtf did you do that for. You’re the people hurt the most, but you’re taking the rest of us down with you

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[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago

Diaspora, while benefiting from free movement and pluralusm, often feel like they're losing their identity. In turn, they seek to symbolically reassert this identity by remote-voting for the most far-right maniac they can find. The fact that such a maniac would never have let them in, and will ruin the country, doesn't bother them as they don't live there anymore.

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Filipinos included, oh and Turks.

[-] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Turks are probably the worst, imagine living in Germany and then voting for Erdogan, that's a different kind of hatred for your own people

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

But, is there a method to the madness? Or are they just assholes? Are they voting the biggest idiot because they dont live there and want to watch their country burn (assholes) or do they somehow benefit here?

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Thet benefit by feeling closer to (what they imagine is) their culture. We're talking about people who left for some quick cash and ended up spending 30, 40 years there. They have a daughter that's born there, grew up there, and never lived outside of there, and they worry she'll be sad when she has to break up with her boyfriend "when we all move back home". They feel like they're separated from their nation because they are, and psychologically deny this by voting for someone so rabidly and loudly nationalist they can hear him all the way in Frankfurt.

It's similar to folks from, idk, Boston, who will occasionally vacation in Ireland and conclude "they're not Irish at all over there, they don't even paint rivers green on St. Patty's!"

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

you know having uneducated right wing extremists is not exclusive to america. Every country has idiots. The educated, normal immigrants don't vote far right and tend to not be mentioned in any news.

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[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

https://on.ft.com/4jaMyVF

Pro-EU centrist Nicuşor Dan was on course to become Romania’s president on Sunday, according to exit polls, leading a run-off against an ultranationalist Eurosceptic who had topped the first round and raised fears about the country’s pro-western orientation.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

A little bit confused by the graph but it seems like he's solidly ahead with most votes counted? So he's secured the win?

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

While I can't read the language, the website is done very well. Loads quickly, simple but not flashy. I'm always amazed what happens when governments just use technology for the benefit of the public.

Australia has a open source public transit tracker system, where on mobile and desktop, you can see near real-time positions of buses, trains, boats, and estimated percentages of how packed it is, and how late it is. All for free.

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