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[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 275 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have friends who immigrated to the Netherlands and then complained that "all these emigrants ruined the Netherlands".... I was blown away...

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

Is your friend white while complaining about non-white emigrants?

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 41 points 4 days ago

Well that depends on who you ask of course, white is not a constant, but if you ask them, yes.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

They aren't anti-immigration, they're racist.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

If a racist says you're not white, they'll kill you over your protests. They may even pretend to think you're white up until you're useless to them.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How did you know?!?!? \s

[-] merdaverse@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Very common to hear this. I've heard family that were complaining that male only, illegal immigrants are moving in to steal jobs, when they were exactly in the same situation, just on the other side, some 20 years ago. It honestly shakes my hope in humanity.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago

Western expats in Japan are notorious for hating every other Western expat in Japan. It's even got a name, "My Japan Syndrome".

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I’m a descendant of immigrants in the Netherlands and there is definitely a small subset of 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants who is ruining it for all immigrants. PVV would have never been voted in as the biggest party if the parents (who never bothered to integrate and to learn the language) of these trouble making 2nd/3rd gen migrants weren’t given permanent residency.

30 years ago people who pointed out the problems these non integrated migrants could cause in the future were labeled racists by the left wing parties at the time, even though the leader of the socialist party warned about this. The labor party who was in power at the time also didn’t bother to tackle this issue, since they relied on the immigrant vote. And now since the Muslims started their own center right conservative party, labor lost a big voting block and the fascists are in power because people have had it with the inaction of the labor party.

Same thing is happening with the refugees. The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status and who are committing crimes have soured people's attitudes towards the real refugees. Towns that were once welcoming towards refugees want to see the refugee center in their town gone.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 17 points 4 days ago

Same thing is happening with the refugees.

Yes they are being used as a straw man to scare and polarize people.

The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status and who are committing crimes have soured people's attitudes towards the real refugees.

And it is working.

[-] jwt@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Are you familiar with the situation in the Netherlands? Because points OP raises are not really polarizing in the Netherlands. Maybe you're for example misunderstanding the phrase 'The illegals who have zero chance to get a refugee status' because some parts got lost in translation ?

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I live in Denmark, I'm a "non-EU" person, but I'm here based on my skilled work. I do stuff, I am useful. So I have nothing against immigration in general, only against the part of immigration walking around malls in their slippers at 1 p.m., because they still haven't spent all the money they got by faking disability.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago

This is a good time to remind everyone that not all disabilities are visible.

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 8 points 4 days ago

Also that personality disorders look "normal" when societies encourage, promote, and reward personality disorders.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 59 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How do you know they fake disability?

How do we know you are not faking being skilled?

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 52 points 4 days ago

Moreover: even if they were disabled: does that somehow forbid them from buying things at the mall? Would it be different if they had different footwear? Are disability payments even enough for them to be able to afford to spend on frivolous things? Even if they are, is being disabled a good reason to forbid someone from buying frivolous things? If they're buying necessities, isn't it nicer for everyone else if the people who have the time to do their groceries outside rush hours do so then so the registers are less crowded?

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

It's just there are two distinct froups of people outside during the working hours: the slipper guys, and pensioners

[-] ScoopMcPoops@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

And also just maybe the people that don't work 9-5. You realize that right? Or does everyone in your country stop working at 5pm?

[-] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah seriously. Whenever I do a late or a night shift, this guy will think I'm a leeching immigrant. Or maybe he won't, because my skin isn't the right color for that?

Besides, I'm from the Netherlands and I've known more native "leechers" than immigrant ones.

[-] goldfndr@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

I sometimes wondered if the factories used by Xiaomi (and those used by their target audience) shut down at night, as their early Mi Bands didn't permit night shift configurations.

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I'm working, I'm delivering what I have to, and I getting paid for it. For two years at the current workplace. As it is not a charity, I'm pretty sure I would be fired otherwise.
As for the guys in slippers - I don't know about single one of them, but you know, when you:

  • go out of the office and see a lot of similar-looking guys with beards, wearing tracksuits and slippers, doing fuck all, seemingly all the time, or maybe they work in shifts
  • the statistic showing that the number of disabled adult middle aged "refugees" is double-digit higher that the same number for Danes
    , you start thinking there could be a correlation.
[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Dichotomous logic is a sign of ignorant stupidity. Nothing about real disability is binary. Such a view is as murderous in the real world as were Nazi SS working in a concentration camp.

I would know. I am physically disabled, appear functional, but suffer far more than you could ever know. In the next decade I will die on a cold rainy night in a gutter somewhere after my folks die and I am homeless. I was killed 11 years ago, but I get to die slowly for 2 decades. I did nothing wrong. I just rode a bicycle to work and encountered a very stupid person driving into another at an unfortunate time that then hit me. It only takes one bad day to be exactly where I am. If you do not care about the social safety net for people like me, you deserve to learn the hard way.

[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago

Why does it matter how they look? Is it because your underlying issue is racism?

[-] Catoblepas 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

the statistic showing that the number of disabled adult middle aged "refugees" is double-digit higher that the same number for Danes

You know refugees aren’t a random sample of the population, right? Why tf wouldn’t there be more refugees from war zones, gang violence, etc with disabilities compared to some random Western European country with a population that for the most part deals with none of that? What brain trust managed to convince you that the only way to be a refugee is to like, win an Olympic sprint or something?

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 days ago

One final question, you work in tech right?

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

I do stuff, I am useful.

So go do stuff and stop trying to control what other people do in their days off.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

So basically you just like to shit on less fortunate people. Class act.

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I talk shit about "not doing shit" people

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night. I am disgusted by your attitude.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

It has nothing to do with immigration, the native citizens can do this all the same, and some probably do.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Same in Canada.

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