Is this the guy who makes alt right comics?
Edit: yeah, it's George Alexopoulos. They're a good artist, but they're pretty nasty. I wouldn't post their stuff.
I've seen a few great Linux memes with this, but I think the biggest insult would be for people to use it as a template for things he doesn't believe in.
Mockery is the sincerest form of insult. I hope this meme lasts forever.
This is an edit, original had the bible
"They're the same picture"
oh no
I never knew why people need to conflate the personality or political opinions of the artist with the art they make.
In my opinion, even if the artist is a terrible human being they can still produce some good art. And even if the art they produce is crap, it can still prove valuable, as it can be parodied, modified, transformed or mocked.
Are you ignoring the fact that the artist in question specifically makes anti-left propoganda? Like it's literally their entire identity to try (and fail) to make fun of leftist politics
Yes, I am. Depending on whom you base your ideas on what art is you can defend the case that art has two main components - its conceptual (the political or other ideas of the artist) and its perceptual part (the craftsmanship).
In this case the conceptual part of the work is completely removed, leaving only the craftsmanship. I see no problem in sharing this, and I see no possible slippery slope here.
In short, just because someone is a fascist does not mean they can't be a good craftsman, and should not be seen and analyzed. Take for example Adolf Dassler's Adidas.
Quite frankly, I would also love to see what the original cartoon looks like. Not because I would agree with it, but because I want to know how extreme rightwingers represent me (or us, I guess). I want to know how their propaganda looks like. And I personally believe we should all know and care about it, if we want to combat it successfully.
I suggest looking through his twitter feed (not saying you didn't) and paying close attention to the depiction of (not/) favoured men/ women. Twitter links warning In this cartoon (twitter) you can see the unnecessary sexualisation, while this one shows the exact opposite (cuz political enemy and black, idk). Also: Usual depiction of Joe Biden, heavy incel vibes and a masterpiece in bigotry. Make of that what you will, but I think stripping all his influence out of his cartoons would be more work than actually drawing new ones.___
Well, art is political by its very nature. It is inherently filled with the views and beliefs of the artist, and it's important to point out the dangerous ones so people are aware and to prevent a potential slippery slope to radicalization. Or to prevent moments like that time Smash Mouth unknowingly retweeted art from a famous lolicon artist.
As for the rest, I completely agree. One of the ways to deal with a shitty person is to take their propaganda and meme the shit out of it.
Not weighing in on the other stuff, but I would disagree with the statement that art is political by its very nature. I think it really depends on the art.
Well, art is political by its very nature
Is it though? I once made a little tree out of wires as a birthday present because trees grow. How was that political? A friend of mine did a digital portrait of one of her friends for fun, how was that political? A whole genre of art is: "I saw a beautiful sight in nature and wanted to paint it". Nothing political about that. I mean, "Art for art's sake" was a whole movement. If it's political by nature, removing the politics would mean that it's not art anymore. And some musicians refuse to tell people what their music is about because they believe that everyone should give it their own personal meaning. But, as I said, a lot of art has no "meaning" besides: this looks/sounds nice/calming/cool/energizing.
Yes, it stems from the beliefs and feelings of the artists, but if we extend the meaning of politics so far that someone painting a mountainside transfers a political message, the term becomes pretty unusable.
Cause literally everything is in the wiki, written out very simply. Rewriting that in a chat and email would be counter productive.
It's the same shit as working tech support, no one EVER reads manuals or does standard troubleshooting, they instantly jump to asking people for help which forces them to just read out the manual and troubleshooting steps first instead of actually helping those who need help..
If people could learn to take care of the fundamentals themselves and only ask for help when actually needed, everyone would be better off.
I'm too much of an internet introvert to ask people my problems, I just spend 1h debugging and reading the wiki
As a fellow ex-help desk guy :tm:. I just want to say that A) I feel you but also B) the very fact that you know no one reads manuals should be an indication that expecting them to is a flaw. Instead most people generally do better with hands on coaching. Idk about your job, but back when I was working help desk I got way better results when I let people just be people and patiently guided them through the steps. Most of them catch on eventually
I hate that, because when i call tech support i have to listen to them walk me through the basic steps before i get to the parts i need. I try telling them I've already worked through basic troubleshooting, but most of them are reading a script for every idiot that calls.
As a noob to Linux: THERE'S A WIKI? Awesome!
As a mechanic: Everything I deal with comes with an instruction manual that has the steps written out simply.... for a mechanic.
If I didn't ask the simple questions when I first started, despite having the manual available, never would have learned the basics from someone who knows.
I'm not trying to sound combative or anything, just that sometimes a person needs a small stepping stone of an answer to progress.
Hopefully /s
Okay but tbf the arch wiki is probably the only source of online documentation that is actually up to date lol.
I abuse it for literally every stupid corner case on any distro
"hello fellow linux users, I'm having a problem
"you fucking noob, go to the fucking wiki"
lol! this was primarily the reason why i went with endeavourOS. I actually installed arch linux on my laptop later by using archinstall which made the process a whole lot easier, but of course these elitists come out and claim that's not the "real" way to install arch 🙄
those people suck. some people enjoy the pain i guess but shitting on others is dumb. Arch is pretty great but the fan base is insufferable. I use arch btw.
I was just getting into Linux desktop development. I asked one question regarding getting the position of a mouse on some Ubuntu developer forum. The response drove me away from developing for Linux and I never returned.
You perhaps could not have known it at that time, but development questions are almost always out of place with a distribution forum. Qt or GTK documentation would probably have been a better stop.
I ~~love~~ hate it when it's a fairly simple issue and the op gets everything but the answer because people just want to talk shit.
Their wiki is amazing but if I had to be a part of the Arch community to use the distro, I would give it a hard pass. They're toxic AF.
Eh, the toxic ones are just the loudest, the same applies anywhere else too.
I understand your point but if you end up on their forum through searches, it's pretty clear that the majority of participants are the loud ones, making it irrelevant how many quiet ones aren't participating. You're just reading a topic between someone needing help and a group of people trolling them because they can.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!!
-Mandrake Linux. (Is that distro even still around?)
Unlike the wacky original this edit is too real.
what was the original?
Basically the atheist dad yelling and screaming at his daughter for not being gay and not wanting to have abortions. Typical fundie Christians projecting their inner most thoughts and darkest desires onto their opponents thinking.
This hugely diminish how crazy and nonsensical the original was.
This edit had a the order of the panels changed. In the original, the dad burst out screaming "mom found this on your room." Cue, a shot of the Bible. The girl screams : "god bless you, dad" and in the last panel where she's running away her dad screams at her to have an abortion like a good atheist.
If you are new and need help you can ask in the newbie corner. Most people are really helpful there even with the most trivial problem. Well you can also use it if you are more experienced, it is a nice place to get help and participate.
In other forums you are expected to have done some research first though, e.g. checked the wiki and maybe the bug tracker first and provide your relevant logs. That's what might get you in this comics situation though.
Arch is literally easier than mint
I used to use Ubuntu on my netbook years and years ago, until I came to the conclusion "dammit, at this point, I would have had easier time if I had just installed Debian to begin with", and installed Debian
I'm just thinking about the scene in Hackers where they are sharing their books. Wasn't the "ugly red book that doesn't fit on a desk" the unix manual? 🤣
And remember kids, if you do decide to give an answer other than RTFM, make sure to cover all your prompts in tons of awk commands so the noob will never be able to figure out what you told them to do;
You spelled Debian wrong in this comic about the supreme Linux distribution.
Hint: :q!
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