As an aside, I've seen this happen elsewhere as well. Classic play for wage theft. When I was working as a bartender in London to make ends meet, I had a coworker from Mexico on an expired visa. Great guy and the most hardworking. Well won't you guess it, guy got picked up by immigration authority on payday.
So the manager/owner also got arrested or fined for employing illegal immigrants right?
Ha! Ha ha! As an extra aside, I got fired from that job for "talking back" to that boss.
Some people take respect to mean treating other people as equals. Other people treat respect as an excuse to exploit people, like they should be treated as superiors.
I believe the quote went something like, "If you don't treat me with respect, then you don't deserve respect," meaning, "If you don't treat me as an authority, I won't treat you as human."
As always, the more a person wants power, the less that person deserves it.
More likely to get a payout for reporting
Manager better be locking his door, replacing windows with walls, and getting armed security that goes with the everywhere.
If my manager pulled this shit, the manager would no longer have a home or vehicle by the following morning. Whether they get caught inside the house doesn't matter.
Anyone who destroys someone's life over ~~obvious insecurities~~ "an argument" deserves to have their own life destroyed.
They wouldn't be manager in the first place…. Managers are cops for the bourgeoisie.
Eh,my current manager was under me prior to a change in teams. I didn't go for that position because I hate management. He's still a great guy who largely lets me work however I need to, and shields me from upper management. I like having good managers who can be a buffer between me (tech) and upper management who don't exactly understand what I do.
"Not all ~~men~~ managers"
But yeah, it's interesting when a friend gets promoted to management. We like when they keep their working class roots top of mind, and it's great when one does. Many of us try it once or twice. But the first time that layoff convo comes down from on high, you find the fuck out they care more about their own standing in the system than putting workers first. Cops and managers - I ain't trying to be either.
Definitely fair, and no argument against. Though, in both instances that I got laid off, it was on the 5th round of layoffs, and my bosses (who I got along with both times) got laid off before me in the 4th round. In addition, at one of the companies I was friends with the person who cut access and all, and they kept it secret from even her until the day after taking her phone and keeping them in a locked room. Both times someone either way up the chain or from HR delivered the news, so not sure the bosses would have even came into the convo, had they not already been canned anyway
Did they gain more money than you, or were the fruits of your labor divided equally to your yields?
If not the latter, you were exploited to work for the owners of the business.
There's senior syndicalism, and there's bourgeoisie exploiters.
I’ll await until you finish reading David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs: A Theory 2018. Debt: The First 5,000 Years is just as good.
I don't know for sure, but I'm paid pretty high here comparatively for the company (I get paid less than I should for the actual experience and position, but it's a smaller company that pays everyone less), and I know I got paid more than some of my previous managers here while I was under them. I was also paid like 20k more than someone who started 2 years before me.
It's more the previous owners negotiated directly with each hire and I knew what I was worth more than they did.
Right, but Americans don’t actually do what you’re suggesting. They just sit there and take it because they’re terrified of losing their shitty jobs that they hate.
If we're gonna crack down on illegal immigrant labor, we should start with the people who knowingly employ them. Who's crime is greater, the person who came to this country to seek a better life by the sweat of their brow, or the employer who hired them because they knew they could pay them less and otherwise extort and coerce their labor? Ask me the former is barley, if at all, a crime. Whereas the latter is deserving of a criminal investigation and sentence.
Fucking embarrassing....
This is the same in UK. There are people who believe that illegal immigration is the reason rents are high and jobs are hard to get and also they're all on benefits. It's illegal to rent to or employ an illegal immigrant and I'm not sure how they are supposed to apply for benefits as an illegal immigrant but the narrative persists. Legal immigrants here have zero access to any benefits at all.
But, obviously it is all their fault and not those illegally employing and housing them.
Legal immigrants can claim benefits depending on their immigration status and whether they've been granted recourse to public funds; but the majority work their backsides off.
It's just an excuse to be openly racist.
I'm constantly surprised as I wander thro my middle England life with the people who have had a privileged existence yet still hold ignorant views on immigration.
How about we acknowledge why this historically angry little island of ours has so much immigration and that each decade's wave of influx has positively contributed to our society
The point of the system is what it does. None of this is happening by chance or due to one or two bad actors
Apparently the wealthy couldn't keep us under control by threatening homelessness, starvation and loss of healthcare - now they have to threaten to fucking deport us if we don't bend the knee to their miniature dictatorships.
So everyone quit? Right? Document and undocumented?
Ha! Ha Ha!
Hard to strike/quit in protest when you live paycheck to paycheck and unions have been demolished over the span of the past 60-ish years.
Hard to turn up to work when you might be sent away by doing so. I wouldn't leave until my next job was lined up or there was a union. It doesn't need to be a self damaging act to be a retaliatory act.
You also might be sent away by not showing up for work if the boss feels like sending ICE to your home.
Can we just call this what it is? Terrorism.
Or indentured servitude. Also known as slavery.
Indentured servitude has a specific definition to mean working without pay under a contract.
Don't get me wrong, this is still slavery, but we are all literal slaves to our wages in a capitalist system.
What this post is describing can better be defined as terrorism, which is the use of or threat of violence for a political or religious reason.
Since it's a combination, maybe we can come up with a new term for it, like "slave terrorism" or something.
Start calling ICE on Trump supporters.
This is specifically why historically reporting your exploitation has been a path to citizenship for illegal/legal immigrants in the united states. It wasn't a well known endeavor though , and I doubt it's functioning has continued
The more I've lived to see the way things go, the more I've come around to the idea that maybe the commies were on to something. Maybe struggle sessions were the least some people deserve.
Well, you are in an anarchist comm ;)
It seems many newcommers are not aware of this blatant fact. It outstands me when they think being bourgeoisie friendly is tolerated in this network.
As much as Capitalism has problems, Communism just has different ones.
Both caused by selfish people.
Fail to see how this is different to how when people called the Gestapo when they didn't like their neighbours.
Or called them witches
And why didn't anyone report that company for employing illegal immigrants?
Would probably be far more effective. Punish the employer for not taking reasonable checks. Are they paying tax correctly?
That would be bad for the company, but likely way worse for the illegal immigrants. Being illegaly exploited doesn't make them legal, so reporting the company to the IRS almost definitely gets the workers deported.
I've always found it strange that it's considered illegal to work here as a non-citizen but the punishment always falls on the guy doing the work, not the guy who hired him instead of someone legal.
This is chilling and disgusting
I’m not doubting the events of that London story, but under UK law knowingly employing illegal workers is an unlimited fine plus 5 years jail time, and even employing one by mistake after not doing the correct checks is up to a £60,000 fine, so it was deliberate than it was quite a gamble…
I couldn't tell you. This is almost 20 years ago now and I know my colleague disappeared from one day to the next after payday.
Ah right, the rules changed about 10 years ago.
You gotta keep that reserve army of labor in line
It's crazy. Growing up I was shown so many images of so many people arriving by the boat load at Ellis Island and taught how America is a melting pot and how that's a good thing and our strength.
I believe this opens him up to a civil suit, even if the government won't pursue.
Ain't gonna work in Maggie's farm no more ...
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