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and I am really not impressed. I don't want to know more about the story, don't want to build a spaceship that I can fast travel with, don't want to explore the universe.

What are your thoughts?

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[-] echo@sopuli.xyz 79 points 1 year ago

It looks like Skyrim in space and I don't really get why anyone was expecting something else

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago

But Skyrim is beautiful even with its older graphics and has an interesting world to explore. Grey space metal structures on grey planets just aren't interesting. Also even more so if the story starts with "you touched a weird rock", don't know why but here have my spaceship.

In Skyrim you're waking up going to be executed next moment there's a dragon attack.

[-] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

I mean id argue Skyrim isnt that great to look at either, given its a continent full of tombs and snow due to its climate. Its just gray and white.

Both Morrowwind and Oblivion had more interesting places to look at than skyrim did.

[-] KevinDeRodeTovenaar@feddit.nl 21 points 1 year ago

I disagree, skyrim had beautiful nature, landscape and skies.

[-] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Are you about to bring up skies of all things, and compare to a space game with multiple skies due to having multiple planets?

[-] KevinDeRodeTovenaar@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago

Haven't played starfield yet, i just know that Skyrim has beautiful star constellations

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 year ago

Right? There was this one guy on Lemmy the other day expecting the game to be like Freelancer.... Like, dude, it's Fallout with a space suit, we've known that for years now. I feel like gamers always have the most stupid and unrealistic expectations imaginable.

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[-] RaineV1@kbin.social 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, yeah, if you aren't into the core elements of a game you probably won't be interested in the game. It's like say, "I'm not impressed with the new Mario game. I don't want to do platforming, and I don't care about powerups or collecting things."

[-] CMLVI@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

Yeah, lot of people are upset that Bethesda released a Bethesda game.

"Why is this like Skyrim in space and not like completely different studios style?"

Well, probably because Bethesda made the game and not the other studio...

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

A surprising percentage of gamers seem to think that any new AAA title game is catered to them and rather than understand it was made for other people, they complain about how bad it is.

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[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 39 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you simply don’t like science fiction video games then. Thanks for letting us know. I’m gonna go play some Starfield now.

[-] gaytswiftfan@beehaw.org 55 points 1 year ago

what lol — he doesn't like starfield so that immediately means he doesn't like science fiction games??

I'm a huge scifi and fantasy fan and I refunded starfield after 4-5 hrs

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago

Well I (not OP) would love me some actual Mass Effect 4, for example. Not really excited for a sci-fi Bethesda RPG though.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

I love death stranding for example.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 37 points 1 year ago

People are getting pretty spicy with the responses. OP was just underwhelmed by a game getting a lot of hype. Like lots of people are going to like it, but not everyone. I think theyre just trying to generate discussion, not say "everyone who likes starfield is an CHUMP!!" or something.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

haha thanks yeah I just shared my thoughts, but this is the internet after all ;)

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 35 points 1 year ago

Personally I'm excited to see what the mod landscape is going to look like in a year. As with most Bethesda games, I couldn't care much less about the game itself outside of that key feature.

[-] manapropos@lemmy.basedcount.com 14 points 1 year ago

I’m in the same boat. I play Bethesda games for the experiences the modders create. This will be a steal in a few years for $30

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[-] gaytswiftfan@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago

I agree it was very boring and the writing in the intro was incredibly weak. Every time I expected that wow moment (helgen, opening the vault) i just found disappointment instead. "Wow a fight! oh I'm just randomly handed a ship? ok sick time to fly, oh it's just fast travel. New Atlantis is about to be crazy, oh it's just a bland city" and everything being beige didn't help. Fallout has the cool roleplaying in the wasteland factor, Skyrim has the cool fantasy aspect, Starfield seemed to just be 'space' but other games (Mass Effect, Outer Wilds, hell even the first half of The Outer Worlds) did it better.

It seemed p clear they don't feel the need to innovate or have any ambition because their dedicated fan base is so large now that they don't really have to. Which is fine but wasn't for me.

[-] irongamer@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a space clutter looter

Played 8 hours last night so this is a very early impression. I love clutter looters and didn't expect much else from Bethesda's Fallout/Scrolls main studio. The Bethesda crafted areas are excellent if you are looking for what I call a Fallout / Elder Scrolls clutter looter. Lots of stuff to loot, the FPS combat is much better than Fallout 4 or 76. Don't expect a space sim like SC or NMS this is a Bethesda Fallout/Scrolls style game with a bunch of additional systems on top of it.

First person combat

I've played both SC and NMS. While exploring a station in Starfield I thought to myself... this is what SC should have been for their foot exploration. The derelict stations in NMS are rather static environments and never cared for them much. What surprised me about the Starfield AI is they will "flee" or "flank" by running past you at times. I've lost track of enemies at times because of this and have had to go hunting for them.

Ship travel

There is fast travel. If you are looking for a space flight sim this is not for you. I don't have an issue with fast travel as I get no thrills from traveling in space 1:1. There is simulation and there is stupid... SC leans a bit too heavy into the latter. Don't expect 1:1 space travel in Starfield, it isn't made for that.

Ship combat

Again this is not a space flight sim. Most recently coming off Everspace 2 I do miss the strafing controls and pedal usage, but that game is star fighter like combat. Starfield does have a ship editor and seems to be more about load out than fighter style combat. Think a bit more like Expanse style combat. I don't have much time in this area of the game so I can't say a whole lot more about it.

Initial impression

I love Bethesda clutter looters and this one is in space. Going to eat up the Bethesda crafted clutter looter areas. The 1,000 worlds will likely function as a massive canvas for future mods.

[-] drcouzelis@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Played 8 hours last night so this is a very early impression

HOLY CRAP it takes like 25 minutes to play through DuckTales on the NES, I guess I'm not used to modern games. 😆

Anyway, thanks for the great write-up!

[-] Ashtear@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

DuckTales

The Moon theme is now in my head.

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[-] jlow@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, also getting strong "not for me"-vibes. Looks like a less grimey Fallout in space. Graphics seem to be far less amazing as I imagined from trailers.

Edit: Buuut I think lots of people will have fun with this and that's cool!

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Looks like a less grimey Fallout in space

That's exactly what it is. Also less fallout humor. If you don't like other BGS games you aren't going to like this one.

[-] totallymojo@ttrpg.network 21 points 1 year ago

It's not as open and "huge scale" as people seem to think it is.
It's kind of "fake open" if that makes sense.
You cannot get into your ship and fly 500m east to your mission.
If you do that, a new instance is loaded and your mission is not there.

Made me disappointed.

[-] Joker@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Wait, what? How does that work? I haven’t seen much of the game except trailers.

[-] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no flying in atmosphere at all. To do what the parent commenter says would require going back to orbit (loading screen) then choosing a spot on the planet to land (another loading screen). When you land like that on planet, it generates an instance for you that is procedurally generated, but won't contain any of your mission markers. (I haven't actually tried that part, but I've seen others talk about it.)

The game is basically areas, separated by loading screens. You get in your ship, that's a loading screen, you fly to orbit, another loading screen. Then in orbit if you want to go to another planet, you set course and do another loading screen. Once there, you choose a spot and land for another loading screen. There is flying in space, but it's limited to small instances with some other ships, and POIs. Your ship's speed is very slow, ~~and as far as I've been able to tell you cannot walk around your ship while it's in flight (this may be a limitation of the controller controls, I saw a streamer stand up in flight, but I don't know if that was a bug or not. There's no binding to stand up when you are in flight on controller.)~~ I just wasn't holding B long enough, you can stand up when you are in space, you just have to hold the normal binding for longer than I expected.

All that being said, I'm still enjoying the game. But I went in with low expectations.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

What you describe sounds almost exactly like the Mass Effect 1 procedurally generated missions. But that game came out in 2007...

[-] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Mass Effect 1 has the Mako though. In Starfield, as far as I know there are no ground vehicles at all. So it's just a lot of running.

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[-] snowbell@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is exactly as shitty as I expected it to be. Another crappy bethesda game in a long line of garbage. I think the last game from them I truly enjoyed was Morrowind. I don't think New Vegas counts. Fallout 4 was depressing being so close to good. Every moment in that game screams half baked. That quest where you help the robots out with their ship showed me just how possible it was to make the game good, but then it was the only good quests besides maybe the silver shroud one.

[-] Mechaguana@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago

Personally from the screenshots and the vids I didn't feel like the game would be for me. Is there actual story? Are there fun characters to hang with?

Bethesda games have quite a recognizable formula, and this seems like their blandest implementation.

But hey, i am basing this on the other games and a handful of material. Ill probably crack it and wait for it to lower in price big time.

[-] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the story/stories and characters are the actual meat of the game. It's not a space sim like Star Citizen or NMS, it's an RPG first and foremost, really.

Also, so far (~20 hours in) it's way less bland than Fallout 4. It's a way more of an RPG (I talked my way out of confrontations multiple times, sometimes even using my background and traits, when relevant). Sure, if you just keep landing on planets and going to the auto generated structures and scanning wildlife, it's probably gonna be quite bland. But there's way more actual content, way more actual quests that aren't just clearing out bandits/raiders. The space sim-y stuff, that's just there to sell the fantasy. Yes, you can be a bounty hunter or space trucker or whatever, but that content is of course going to be way more autogenerated, bland stuff. I'd recommend doing that stuff on the side, when you want a break from story heavy quests.

But even clearing out raiders is often waymore fun in Starfield, especially when it's in space. For example, I came across an abandoned zero-gravity casino space station that spacers (one of this games version of raiders and bandits) were in, while I was on my way to the space cowboy city, and that was a very fun fight.

Another time, I was heading back to New Atlantis when I noticed a symbol for a ship in the same system. When I went to investigate, I first got into a dogfight with another ship, disabled their engine and borded them, then I noticed there was some kind of heavy freighter they were raiding, so I docked with that. On that ship, the engines were funky and as they were turning on and off the gravity was going, too, so I was fighting my way through a ship where the gravity was constantly fluctuating, which then also factored into small environmental puzzles, like waiting for the gravity to turn off to go up an elevator shaft. Eventually got to into the vault the space pirates were trying to get into, and although I couldn't get all of it because I didn't have a high enough lockpicking skill (the new lockpicking minigame is also kinda fun, ngl), but I did pick up some contraband. When I then finally actually went to New Atlantis, the contraband was caught by the scanners, I was arrested and then forcibly conscripted to go undercover into the Crimson Fleet (the space pirates), although I could've killed my way off the ship they brought me to if I wanted. Then the contact to get into the Crimson Fleet was actually the same person that gave the orders to attack that freighter I found! (There was an audiolog, because of course.) Sorry for going off on a tangent, I just felt like it would illustrate my point better than just saying "it good"

I also probably have like 5 other quests in my quest log to go join some faction, some big factions, some small factions. And that's without even going to the cyberpunk city.

And so far I haven't had to follow a dog for 20 minutes in search of a chainsmoker, so that's already better than Fallout 4.

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[-] eight_byte@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

I don’t want to hear how good this game is because I only own a PS5 and don’t have a gaming PC.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Good news for you: It's not very good. At least not the first 5 hours, which are painfully boring and full of jank.

[-] admin@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Same here...I'm incredibly disappointed they didn't release this for PS5!

[-] OverfedRaccoon@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

A decade old gaming PC (that was mid-tier at best back then), a PS5 that's not technically mine, a Switch, and an OG Xbox One. Tell me about it. 😂

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I already have space game. It's called No Mans Sky and it's pretty darn cool.

[-] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

The NMS gameplay is really only a tiny part of Starfield. It's an RPG. Like, an actual, proper RPG, with tons of actual quests. If you were only interested in the NMS part, flying from planet to planet to scan wildlife and gather resources, sure, you don't need Starfield, NMS will do ya just fine, but there is a fuckton more to the game than that.

[-] sandriver@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

And it has VR too! I think NMS and having actual Daggerfall doesn't leave me any room to particularly care about Starfield. I don't get the hype at all.

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[-] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you got No Man's Skied

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[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

I played for a few hours last night and, so far, I feel exactly the same. I'm going to try to barrel through the main narrative for a bit, which is supposed to "open up" the game a lot more - but the game systems and UI themselves are a major part of what is killing it for me. That, and the fact that the game so far seems to be little more than a mediocre FPS.

[-] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Skyrim's default UI sucks, and mods make it better. I'm hoping the same for Starfield.

[-] d3Xt3r@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

I actually like exploring the universe, but I've been pretty disappointed from what I've seen so far. They tried to add space-sim elements to it, but did a half-assed job at it. To make things worse, the planets are mostly barren and not worth exploring either.

In saying that, it is a Bethesda gene, so I'm expecting some beefy mods that add more content and immersiveness to the game, and once that's done, I may consider buying it when it goes on sale.

In the meantime, I'm really looking forward to finally playing Cyberpunk as it was meant to be, with the new Phantom Liberty DLC.

[-] hot_milky@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Bethesda have made some of my favorite games, especially Elder Scrolls but this time I'm just not very interested. I read they added procedural generation which seems like the worst choice possible when the strength of their games always has been environmental storytelling (as in you explore and stumble upon things that make the world feel "lived in").

I'll buy the game later, might as well wait for patches, mods and such!

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

A Twitch stream said Starfield was on. When I looked at the stream, the person who I assume was the streamer was sitting on her bed, DJing bad music, and talking about how she thought canals were natural, not manmade.

I muttered something rude and didn’t keep watching.

[-] ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

The gunplay looks pretty fun to me. That's the most important part for me, if the actual combat isn't fun, then that's a different story, but it looks pretty cool. Cool enough for me to try it out on gamepass.

[-] Xperr7@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I'm the type of guy who hates New Vegas because it felt awful to shoot things (and that's why I'm still addicted to Destiny). Aiming's a bit weird, and shotguns don't have too much impact, but other than that, it's not the worst shooter I've played. I'll probably stick with it.

[-] ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

and that’s why I’m still addicted to Destiny

Oh, god how do they make it feel so good in Destiny 2. Unbelievable gunplay. Pity about the FOMO mechanics, I stopped playing when the brought in the battlepass, that shit just isn't for me.

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[-] totallynotfbi@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

It's pretty decent if you liked Bethesda's other AAA games. I was actually surprised that there was even some amount of spaceship piloting at all - I just assumed it would be 100% fast travel.

However, the game runs like dogshit - even on my decently mid-range system, it takes 15-30 seconds of loading between menus, and I swear I spent half the time I played waiting for the game to load. I assume that this is meant to take advantage of the Xbox and PS5's faster memory and DirectStorage, but on PC it's borderline unplayable

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