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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@piefed.social

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25042034

This post is "FYI only" for blahaj lemmy members. It is not a debate, and is not intended for non blahaj lemmy users to weigh in and offer opinions.

I recently received reports of a feddit.uk user espousing transphobia. Specifically, this was a feddit.uk user refusing to use the word cis, repeating the "adult human female" dog whistle, and claiming that trans women are not women. I approached a member of the feddit.uk admin team and raised my concerns and sought clarification of their stance on posts like this, where the transphobia is mostly dogwhistles, and "civil disagreement" on the validity of trans folk.

I was told by the feddit.uk admin that their preferred response is this kind of transphobia is to "sort it out through discussion and voting". However, the comments in question are currently more upvoted than downvoted, and little "sorting out" has occurred. The posts remain in place.

At this point, the admin stopped responding to my messages despite being active elsewhere on lemmy. When it became clear they were ignoring my messages and had no intention of removing the posts in question, I made the decision to defederate the instance.

I know some folk agree with the feddit.uk admins approach of pushback through discussion and voting, but this instance is not designed to be that kind of space. Blahaj lemmy is meant to be a place where we can avoid the rampant transphobia universally visible on nearly every other social media platform, and where we can exist without needing to debate our right to do so.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 52 points 2 months ago

ignoring hate, is promoting hate; eff those Admins.

[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 months ago

@Emperor@feddit.uk and @flamingos@feddit.uk , would it be possible to address the transphobic posts/comments?

[-] ada 66 points 2 months ago

FYI, I won't be able to see any responses to this comment chain from feddit.uk users or admins unless I manually watch it off instance. I'll try and do so, but I won't see pings etc.

In any case, to address Emperor's comment, to avoid defederation and give the feddit.uk time to work it out, all it would have taken was a single response to my messages stating that it's being discussed by the admin team. Instead, despite twice highlighting that this is an issue important enough to defederate over, I got radio silence, whilst Emperor continued to post elsewhere. Even if it were not the intent, it came across as a deliberate choice to ignore my messages.

Federation will be re-enabled if they ultimately address the issue.

[-] oxysis 22 points 2 months ago

You are fabulous Ada, you are why I switched to this instance

[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

That makes sense, thank you !

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

To be clear, there were no posts, this is about two comments by one of our users, both of which I personally pushed back on. We're still discussing what to do, but consensus takes time.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago

Address the comments or address the defederation?

I was the Admin who was contacted by Ada and that is a mischaracterisation of what I said. Our rules still stand that we won't allow transphobia.

Unfortunately, as the ruling on the interpretation of the law has recently changed, we are going to have to figure out how we approach this and that is going to require a consensus amongst the Admins, and an agreement on our wording going forward.

This is going to take a bit for us to work out (although not too long, we're getting there, I have been active on Lemmy but I don't call the shots, and we need input from all Admins) and if, in the meantime, LBZ feel we aren't moving fast enough and they need to defederate from us then that is obviously their right.

[-] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Our rules still stand that we won't allow transphobia.

Unfortunately, as the ruling on the interpretation of the law has recently changed, we are going to have to figure out how we approach this and that is going to require a consensus amongst the Admins, and an agreement on our wording going forward.

I don't get it. Why the self-contradiction?
No matter how many times I read this I still don't understand what's happening on your end.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 2 months ago

I think they are trying to work out how to do so within legal confines. A legal battle can be costly for someone without millions and billions. Ultimately, these governments will not succeed with backward-facing tactics. Hold trust in the ultimate goodness of the larger population. This is just extinction burst of dying ideations.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

What law is that? Did the UK just enshrine some sort of right to be transphobic or something?

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 months ago

Here's our answer, from the article linked in this post: https://lemm.ee/post/62470957

This came after the UK supreme court sitting in London ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act refer to a biological woman and biological sex. The action to determine this had been brought by For Women Scotland, a campaign group which brought a case against the Scottish government in which they argued that sex-based protections should only apply to those born female.

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