This is why they aren't allowing due process, which would expose many more "mistakes". There's likely many more who were already sent to the El Salvador concentration camp than just Kilmar Abrego Garcia. For example, this poor guy. How many more?! 😠
These aren't mistakes. The cheeseburger Gestapo are coming.
Yup. They are seeing how many people they can disappear without anyone noticing
Martinez-Gomez works full-time assisting immigrants in court for a non-profit
This is quite the Hanlon's Razor situation.
There have been a number of US citizens who have received these emails, all of them do some kind of work related to immigration. It's pretty clear that whoever sent out these emails just collected every email related to immigration work, and sent out a mass email. That satisfies Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
But! The fact that they're doing this without even a passing effort at accuracy, with no concern about getting it wrong, shows how it's motivated by malice too. It's the ICE version of a reckless homicide, they're doing something they have to know would normally get them fired if not charged. But, they don't care because the current racist administration is going to revel in the pain.
So, it's a weird situation where Hanlon's Razor is both right and wrong.
Basically you're saying, attribute the email to stupidity; attribute the stupidity to malice.
I think anybody who wasn't malicious would be very careful about this process. They would know that a mistake was possible and that they should triple-check everything they were doing. So, it's more that the stupidity is the evidence for the malice. That, and the fact that there wasn't a massive apology and attempt to correct the mistake when these news stories started coming out.
Anybody who wasn't malicious would be very careful
well. I mean, no. They could just be stupid.
The problem with "they're just incompetent", is that it let's malicious people feign stupidity. And if it is a combination, it doesn't matter which aspects are one or the other. They are dangerous all the same and shouldn't be allowed to continue hurting people. But a combination of apathy, indoctrination, and infiltration means they'll likely never see any real consequences. Or if they do, they were likely expendable and their excision doesn't accomplish anything. People need to, at a minimum, vote. And preferably get more involved. Organize. Start local.
It may let malicious people feign stupidity, but that doesn't mean you have to just forgive them.
Is there reason to believe that Hanlon's Razor is correct?
Yeah, Occam's razor.
Occam's Razor comes from a 14th century priest who studied logic. It's been gone over by philosophers in the centuries since and is generally considered valid.
Hanlon's Razor comes from a joke book published in 1980.
Hanlon's Razor is basically a special case of Occam's Razor.
Making a mistake or doing something stupid is easy. Conspiring to do something malicious is not as easy. The simpler explanation is generally that something is a mistake rather than an elaborate conspiracy. So, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation (a mistake) is probably the right one.
It's just razors all the way down...
Is it? Hitchens' razor says that you've provided no evidence for your turtle-like stack of razors, so your claim can be dismissed without evidence.
Fwiw Occam's razor is actually a little more precise than "choose the simplest explanation". Specifically, it defines what "simplest" actually means, in such a way that makes it easier to see how you could describe Hanlon's razor as a special case of Occam's.
Occam's razor is that you should choose the solution which requires the fewest assumptions. Assuming someone made a mistake is precisely one assumption. That they were acting maliciously requires several, including having the motive to do it and, in a case involving large organisations, having the capability to cover it up.
While true, the intent behind Hanlon's has been expressed for millennia. The Principal of Charity (which was only named in the 1950s)
Basically, never assume the worst about someone.
The problem here is when there is actual malice. But that's when Occam's razor comes in.
No. And it's a boon to "people" like the Trump regime.
Fuck these fixing incompetent fascist.
Honestly as a American born Asian American, I'm just wondering when this will be happening to me.
First they came for the ..
Doesn't matter when.
It will.
Unless you and everyone else start to speak up for the others.
Same. I was telling my wife I'm legitimately afraid to be walking around by myself now. I used to feel safe wherever I went and now I am always looking over my shoulder or scoping things out before I get out of my car...just to get groceries or something.
This is fucked.
Yup. I've told my wife that when they do come, I'm not one to go quietly.
Remember that 2A is for everyone, pepper spray is legal, and check your knife laws and your 1st amendment right to protest is still a thing.
I actually just got one of those relica practice pistols that uses CO2 cartridges to shoot pepper balls at up to 350fps.
It's non-lethal, but it'll still hurt a bit.
The point of the pepperball gun being? You know they'll shoot you dead when they spot it, right?
Might as well be carrying the real thing instead.
Not everyone has the ability to kill someone, even in self defense. Some folks aren't built to take lives, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Fair enough but in that case maybe don't carry a gun at all. Like I said, it's basically suicidal.
Regardless of the current, evolving circumstances, law enforcement officers treat any gun as a deadly weapon. So they will shoot first & ask questions later.
Come on man, these Gestapo would treat being completely unarmed as a gun, especially if you have tattoos or dress upper end urban street attire as it's been reported.
Fair, but I don't have a CC permit and this is technically legal for me to carry. If real agents show up, I'm fucked regardless. But if wannabe white supremacists in my area want to play gravy seals, it will do just fine.
Maybe you should try to move to Canada.
I'm working on it. Family isn't having it, but they're coming around slowly with each passing hellish day.
I'm also waiting for my passport renewal. Fingers crossed.
Good luck, stay safe!
I hope he gets armed guards. ICE is a trafficking gang.
If I were a judge, him using “I'm not trying to be…” would be all the evidence I’d need to prove he’s an American citizen. They must think I’m Boo Boo the Fool if they deport that man.
In an email? I would have just, rightfully so, assumed it was some type of scam.
It is a scam backed by the executive branch.
I am now completely jaded. Whatever faith I had in institutions has completely eroded. If nobody gets held accountable, who's to say everything isn't a scam? I guess you gotta just use the duck method.
they just open the database and search for "gomez"
Where are they getting these emails from? I don't mean where they are sent from, but the email addresses? Do US citizens share their email with the government?
Do you file taxes online?
I thought most Americans did it through a third party online or a service. Is there a place to put an email? Is it required? Do people actually do it?
You login using your email or your phone number. When you sign up to the IRS system you use your email. They have it. in this case its probably due to him helping folks with their immigration status and a distinct lack of intelligence when harvesting information. After all these are some of the lowest IQ fascists ever.
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