You can't say you use Arch unless you use Arch. Also, you are also saying it all wrong. It's "I use Arch, BTW" not "BTW, I use Arch". You would know that if you used Arch. Have I mentioned I use Arch, BTW?
endeavouros isnt a real os, its basically just an arch installer with persistent theming and some pointless additional packages (the welcome application and stuff like that)
EndeavourOS club! Gorgeous blend between granular control and reasonably configured initial guardrails for a willing-to-learn new Arch user.
I played around with other distros too, before settling into this one. Haven’t looked back after 2-3 years of use.
Welcome to your GNU/Linux jounery.
Before you distro hop again, take your time exploring the os and terminal it will make installing the real arch linux easier.
EndeavourOS is the real Arch, with some additional repos and some sensible defaults.
What makes an Arch system an Arch system is the repos, the package manager and the fact that you installed it yourself.
Anyone giving you support will expect you to be able to answer a couple of questions about your system based on the fact you yourself configured it.
With EndeavourOS, even if you have the exact same repos, it still wouldn't be an Arch system.
And now get off my lawn!
Imagine gate keeping Linux, the irony...
There is no irony.
Gatekeeping Linux distros has been a time-honored tradition since 1993.
Fuck that. The Linux gate is wide open! Anyone that wants to use Linux, come on in!
And for your own sake: use anything but Ubuntu and their buggy Snaps.
Archinstall: Exists Someone: ArCh iS WhEN yOu iNStaLl It yOUrsELf.
In other words, this statement is bullshit.
I mostly agree with this. If you're asking for help on an Arch forum, I think it's fair to expect you know how your system is installed and configured. However, we know many use EndeavourOS (or Archinstall) to avoid having to configure their system. Forums provide free support; I think it's fair they get a say in what issues they don't want to deal with.
Try saying that on the Arch forums and see what they think about that statement.
I don't think many people on the Arch forums have that outlook on EndeavourOS. It is Arch with benefits
Arch users do not consider EOS as Arch but it absolutely is.
EndeavourOS uses the vanilla Arch kernels, the vanilla Arch repos, and the AUR. There are only a handful of packages in the EOS repos and the majority of them are theming or utils that are what you would use on Arch as well (like yay and paru). There are a few quality of life utils that are totally optional and most EOS users are probably not even aware of. Plus, I suppose, the EOS keyring and a couple of packages so that the distro identifies as EOS instead of Arch. Distro identification is the only thing that “overrrides” anything in the Arch repos.
I describe EOS as an opinionated Arch installer with sensible defaults. Once installed, it is just Arch.
It is trivial to revert EOS to vanilla Arch if you want to. I don’t think it even requires a reboot.
These boards are for the support of Arch Linux, and Arch ONLY. If you have installed Archbang, Artix, Chakra, EndeavourOS, Evo/Lution, Manjaro, Whatever, you are NOT running Arch Linux. Source
God what a toxic post
Welcome to the Arch forums :D
Sounds like something written at the likes of Manjaro which differ enough from plain Arch for it to be problematic.
To be honest, with EOS the point is moot - they have their own excellent forums and if you do insist on going to the Arch forums, just say you're using Arch.
Whatever. Why should anyone even go to their forum and ask their opinion on EndeavourOS (or other Arch-based distros) when their community is known for its toxicity?
No hoping needed anymore once you landed on a Arch base!
Don't hate on pop. They have done nothing wrong, at most it didnt sit you right
Absolutely agree, edited post. Was meant as a joke, clearly wasn't in good taste and I apologize. It's pretty solid, just not for me.
I appreciate the edit 👍
Clicked in this post because of the wallpaper.
Stayed here for the polemic.
Searching the wallpaper, now.
in case you haven't found it yet 
Jist install EndeavourOS. You'll get the wallpaper and the best distro to boot.
I've been hopping between different distros since 2023, but every time I come back to EndeavourOS, this distro seems to work the best for me, haven't had any problems with this distro.
I've been using EndeavourOS for awhile now and it's really good. Everything more or less just works.
That's amazing! Why shit on Pop!_OS though? I've always liked it. I think it's definitely more stable than Arch in the long term
Honestly, it seems really stable and works great, I just hate how...hand holdy it felt for me personally. I think the emoji was a little over the top. My apologies, haha. It's totally fine for what it is, and if it works for you, that's fantastic!
yeah; I also use Pop!_OS and like it. I'm curious about the reasoning here
I don't think I've really seen it hated on much
Yea im about to switch myself. Been looking at suggestions and stuff, probably gonna start with Mint myself.
Many different sources advise putting it on a flashdrive first and loading from there, to start. Make sure I like it.
But the end goal, eventually, would be to remove windows from the comp entirely, right? Eventually installing my chosen distro as the OS on the computer itself? Does that sound about right?
For me, I've been throwing distros on a spare SSD so I could test run in a proper install, but I'm sure a thumbdrive would be fine. Just keep in mind that you might get some hangs and things will be slower due to the speed of the drive, rather than the inefficiencies of the OS you end up on. If you want to test out specific programs or games or something, you can always do what I did and put them on a separate faster storage drive (I'm on SATA SSD for my OS right now, but am putting other things on NVME).
As I mentioned elsewhere, I still have my Windows on another drive so I can boot to it if I need to, but I honestly haven't needed to even once since switching, so I'll probably end up just switching to VM only for anything that requires Windows fairly soon here.
The transition has been much simpler and smoother than I ever had imagined.
Thanks. I did read that from the boot drive it would be slower, and missing some features. Im looking to go slow so thats fine by.
You kept windows on another drive, like a hard drive in the comp? Or a thumb drive?
Glad to hear the transition was smooth. That seems to be the general opinon. Its just sometimes reading conversations between people who have been on linux awhile, or maybe work in IT or programming, I get a little nervous. Kernals and directories and other things that I know are words but have no idea what the mean in the computer world.
yes
EndeavourOS is great. It's as bare as you can get without opting for straight Arch. I bit the bullet on vanilla Arch a couple weeks ago, though, and am amazed at how easy it is to set up now.
Bonus: I can follow the Arch Wiki word for word without having to cross check things.
But I loved my time with EOS. I would probably still be using it if I hadn't decided to fuck around with topgrade while having no idea what I was doing. The lesson of the day was just update normally... its built in for a reason.
Edit: Look up Timeshift and ALWAYS back up personal files to external. There's a reason Arch is notorious for being unstable. Sometimes just an update can bork everything (still very rare, though).
Glad you are enjoying Arch. I agree, it is no longer hard to install.
Do you have an example of something in the Arch wiki that does not apply to EOS?
I mean, I guess most people self-installing Arch are not choosing Dracut (though you could and the Arch wiki covers it). I cannot really think of anything else though.
This is basically true. EOS is the closest to vanilla Arch that just runs a gui live with Calamares.
The only difference is the bundled dependencies and packages. EOS sets a lot of those for you out of the gate. That's what I meant about cross referencing. Sometimes I had to look and see what dependency/library EOS used and then pull it up in the wiki.
In base Arch you make some of those choices yourself, so you can just start at the top of the wiki page instead browsing to where EOS left things.
It's not a negative thing. I'm just learning from the ground up on the wiki instead of jumping into the middle of things. For example, I had to go through and pick which bluetooth and sound packages I wanted and EOS has them sorted out for you. Small things like that.
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