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[-] obvs@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago

This is such a U.S. way of reporting things.

74% of people don't want to be part of AfD.

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 days ago

One out every four people you meet being a literal nazi is tough tho

[-] CBYX@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

US: what about one out of every two?

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[-] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 2 days ago

I disagree. The nazis leading the polls is very disturbing.

[-] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

It’s not. 74% are also not working on convincing disgruntled voters that AfD is just a shitsandwich and not an alternative that would improve anything. 26% for a single party that didn’t exist for long is huge and just shows how sick Germans are of the usual cdu/csu/spd/green/fdp bullshit.

The infuriating thing is that AfD voters would probably be better off with dieLinke.

[-] DNU@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Ive really been trying but every time theres a worse quagmire of information to wade through. "Like literal Trump fans. Jews own everything. Democracy is cool and all but really... sometimes we need other measures." Theres just no way to talk back. Or even interact when in comes to politics.

[-] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 29 points 2 days ago

It's similar in the UK currently. The UK's equivalent of AfD is Reform UK who are apparently the leading party in the polls (source):

Reform UK in front on 25%, Labour on 23% and the Conservatives on 20%, with the Lib Dems on 16% and Greens on 10%

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

The next UK election must be held in about four years. The only elections this year will be by-elections (notorious for elevating micro-parties due to protest votes) and local government elections (where Reform has done poorly, since they don't really have more than a handful of candidates who aren't local cranks and Nazis). Where I live, the local-government protest votes has swung seats from Labour to the Greens, and to a lesser extent, the LibDems; the right hasn't had much success.

It should also be noted that the UK press is very rightwing and is constantly promoting Fromage.

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[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Well well.. here we go again. I’m ready to give up my life.

[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 187 points 2 days ago

Is the proper response: Well shit.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

They don't even need to win elections, everyone was already discussing immigration because of propaganda & news (Messerattacke). They have set the agenda, this now is just more evidence of their success.

Sad.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I read 50% of the men in Germany died in ww2 ….but yea cool Nazis what could go wrong.? Fuck around and find out I guess

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Who is going to fight them this time? The US and the UK are heading down the same path with the US far out in the lead and Russia is already an authoritarian state. France and Canada aren't enough to stand up against this wave of naziism.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 18 points 2 days ago
[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Yep nothing good ever comes from supporting facists

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[-] ragas@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

I mean, why vote CDU if they are doing the same shit as AFD but are not as good at it?

[-] AgentRocket@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

We don't know how good AFD would be at doing, what they claim. But none of the parties who have been in power over the last 20-30 years have done anything significant to improve the average workers economic status (e.g. make housing affordable, guarantee a reasonable pension, lessen the fear of unemployment, etc.). AFD claims, "if we get rid of the immigrants, everything will be better again" and people are believing it.

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[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.

It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.

Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost. We need a new, this time thorough, denazification.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

Liberal does not mean leftist outside of the USA. Liberal actually means what is called libertarian in the USA.

[-] luce 5 points 1 day ago

in most contexts here ive heard "liberal" used to describe neoliberalism rather then leftism or libertarianism (though I know many conservatives in the US use it as a catch all for the left)

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm American and I use the term "liberal" specifically to refer to neoliberals. I'm probably in the minority, though, especially given Fox News and GamerGate calling everything they don't like "liberal".

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[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

bullets and bombs

I think it's enough to just do: arrests of leaders (and banning them from public speaking but for life) + breaking up the party + outlawing the party + banning people who decide to take up the mantle of/act as a declared proxy for the party and attempt to visibly pick up where they left off.

That last one I learned from my own country''s current situation: in Romania, a crazy far right candidate came out of nowhere (on the wings of illegal undisclosed campaign donations) to win the first round, and as soon as that happened our mainstream far right party's candidate started supporting him. Then they canceled the election because of the undisclosed donations (he literally declared 0 campaign spending!) so now, in the redo of the election, this other guy is basically running as his proxy and will likely try to appoint him PM if he wins.

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[-] FundMECFSResearch 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

*In an opinion poll

I mean lets not confuse an opinion poll with the truth. These things regularly get things a couple points off. In fact that’s the norm.

They were quite accurate the last few elections though... Maybe 1% off, but that's it.

[-] Waldelfe@feddit.org 31 points 2 days ago

That's what people have been saying for years and yet the AfD is already the second strongest in the last election...

[-] amelore@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

a couple points off

Yes so they're first or a close second, that's hardly better.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 111 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Plus two percent, a difference of one percent to second place and an error margin of two point five percent. Congrats.

Besides that, I really start to hate these reports. Weekly updates on the Sonntagsfrage are utterly lacking substance, fearmongering (to left leaning people) and reassurance (to AfD voters). Everything we do not need.

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[-] x00z@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

AfD is using fascist manipulation using propaganda (always putting immigrants and immigrant attacks in the spotlight) to gain power and discriminate immigrants even more, causing more retaliation which in turn makes people give the AfD even more power.

In a tolerant society we should not be tolerant of such intolerance.

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm an American. I really hope the German masses can learn this lesson before it"s too late.

But you guys need to counter the hateful messaging against immigrants with an equally effective message against the people with power/money, otherwise, fascism is likely to win in the long run against neoliberalism, as we just saw in America after our long-term experiment with neoliberalism, which really kicked off in the 1980s with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

In the 1990s, the American Democrats felt so defeated after having lost big time to Reagan and Bush Sr., so Bill Clinton decided the Democrats cannot "unilatterally disarm" and must start taking corporate money. This acceptance of corporate money led to their idiology becoming the same as Reagan's idiology, and then the Republican party being bith opportunists and contrarians, took advantage of that situation by shifting further and further right (see: the ratchet effect), until they openly became fascists.

I'm not too familiar with German politics, but if anything I said applies, then heed my warning.

[-] OKRainbowKid@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

But you guys need to counter the hateful messaging against immigrants with an equally effective message against the people with power/money, otherwise, fascism is likely to win in the long run against neoliberalism [...]

This is exactly it. However, I am not too optimistic about centrist politicians/media/society coming to that conclusion. We are complacent and scared and would rather keep our heads in the sand and blame minorities instead of addressing the underlying structural issues.

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