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submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by SayJess to c/relationship_advice@lemmy.world

This is messy, contradicting, and wrong.

My best friend, who I will call Grace, is an amazing woman. She is caring, fiercely independent, and protective of those she loves. Breathtakingly beautiful, both inside and out. We all have our flaws, and I know hers and accept them as they are. We’ve been like sisters for 5 years now. Grace is a cis woman, and I am a trans woman.

She is in the process of leaving her husband of 20 years, which has been a long time coming. He’s a good man, but a shit husband to her. I’ve been there for her throughout this entire difficult period of her life. Nobody knows her like I do.

I date men exclusively, as does she. Women just don’t have the right…equipment for me. I do like and prefer only the male anatomy, or so I thought. But she is something special. All that said, I think I might be falling in love with her.

Grace is in such a vulnerable place right now. She just wants to be happy. I just want to see her smile, hear her goofy laugh. We have some of the best times together. We laugh and cry together. She’s been there for me in my darkest times, and I hers. We tell each other that we love each other, though for her I’m sure it is platonic. I don’t want to ruin any of this by telling her “I think I love you”.

I don’t think that I would be “enough” for her. I just don’t think she sees me that way. I live an hour away from her. I visit her as often as I can, which is usually on the weekends. We talk on the phone often, especially now with her going through the beginning stages of a divorce. Besides my son (who is my number 1), she is the person I care about most in this life. We send each other IG reels about how much we care about each other, as best friends. She told me she cried yesterday when I sent her a couple of pick me ups.

I’d be anything or anyone I needed to be to be with her. I’m not sure that we are sexually compatible, but that doesn’t matter so much to me, as I have almost no libido. Yes she is stunning, a 10/10 on any metric, but that’s not why I love her. I love her smile. I love her ability to turn anything into a positive and to encourage those around her to do the same. I could go on and on about the things about her that make me smile.

I’ve thought about it, and I think I would even de-transition if that’s what it would take for her to be with me. This is not something I take lightly, as transitioning was the hardest and toughest thing I’ve ever done. But if I did de-transition, I’d be afraid that she would think that this was all a lie just to get with her. I’m deathly afraid of losing her as my best friend, so I say nothing.

There was one time, maybe a year or so ago, when I was plastered, that I told her brother that I thought I loved her. He told me to stop talking, so I did. I pulled him aside a week or so later and did my best to convince him that I was just confused and that I didn’t actually like her like that. But I don’t think I am confused anymore. I feel like I see clearly, and it is tearing me apart. I’m fine loving from afar, as just having her in my life is enough for me. I tell her I gave up on dating, but that’s not the whole truth. I gave up on dating because there is no one else I can see myself with but her. All I want is for her to say “I think I love you too”. But I don’t think she does.

I really wish I didn’t love her like that. It would be so much easier to hear about the attention she receives from guys at the gym or socially. But I am happy to carry on as her best friend, if that means I have her in my life.

I don’t know what to do. I mean, I think I do know what to do: remain her closest confidant and be happy for that.

I don’t know why I’m posting this. I guess I just need someone, somewhere to know this. This one sided love is enough for me I guess.

Help

ETA: I can’t help but feel like I am betraying her by feeling the way I do. I feel like a liar.

ETA, Again: Just to be clear, I would never take advantage of her current situation in an attempt to get with her. That would be gross and creepy. I have too much respect for her to even entertain the idea. She is my best friend, after all. Even though I feel the way I do, I would never do such a sleazy thing.

Thank you all for your thoughtful, and at times, blunt responses. They have helped me confirm that confessing is not the way.

Please keep them coming, I appreciate the perspective.

Honestly, I think just typing this out to internet strangers has been cathartic, as I don’t have anyone in my life to share this with that would not get around back to her. Sharing this deeply personal situation I am in has helped me think about it in ways that I really had not thought of before.

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[-] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

No. Just no.

She's in the midst of a divorce and almost certainly not ready for that.

You admit concerns about compatibility but way more than that claim you'd change who you are for them.

No.

That will NEVER work out well. Love comes from people who love who you are, not who you can try to be.

The bond you have is lovely, let her dust settle and the storm to pass - once there is “normal” life see if you still feel the same. Crisis and trauma can push people together but perhaps for the wrong reasons.

Good luck. I hope you both find happiness.

[-] SayJess 7 points 3 days ago

She is in such a vulnerable place right now, I’d never forgive myself if I were to say anything now. She definitely has way too much on her plate emotionally.

I think I needed to get this off my chest more so than anything else, and I certainly cannot tell her this, not now.

I don’t think I ever will tell her.

[-] Zero22xx 6 points 3 days ago

Oof. As someone that used to fall in 'love' hard, and usually with the wrong people, I'm not sure that I even have decent advice here but I sure as hell identify and commiserate.

Seems you've already come to this conclusion yourself but I would definitely not say anything right now. Even if it's totally innocent on your part, besides the fact that she's already in a vulnerable state, it could also be seen as opportunistic and like you've been 'waiting your turn' all this time.

I definitely recognise the signs of spiralling out here though. She's consuming your thoughts and twisting you up inside and making you write long posts describing the depth of your feelings. You're even considering giving up your identity. And in this state, you don't think clearly or always make the best decisions. To me it felt like what I imagine being bipolar must feel like. So I wish you the best of luck keeping your head in this situation. Especially considering that now would probably be the worst time to take a break in your friendship because she probably needs the shoulder to cry on now now then ever.

I know it's easier said than done but I would suggest trying to reprogram your thought patterns right now. Introduce a second voice in your head that tells you to snap out of it every time you start daydreaming about her. Maybe there's possibilities in the future but now it's the worst possible time for this and you need to keep reminding yourself of that.

Also, I give this advice to everyone because it's what worked for me, but try to find something to keep you busy and distracted in the in between times when you're not talking to her. Like start a Skyrim run or Stardew Valley run. Something that demands all of your attention and makes the hours fall away like they're minutes. Or even a series to binge.

Lastly, this is probably unnecessary but as someone who always felt too strongly and intensely, at this point I would like to try and practise relationship anarchy moving forward. It's a concept that actually comes from polyamorous circles but as someone that isn't polyamorous, I think that there are some valuable concepts and ideas in there that can apply to all relationships, whether they're friendships or something more. And I think that they're ideas that can be valuable to introduce into your thought process. At least just to keep reminding yourself that we're all individuals going through our own shit and battling our own demons. And that no one owes you anything (and vice versa).

Maybe the best course of action here would be just to let her come to you if it's meant to be. And then that way, you won't have to feel like a bad person here or feel like you need to do something drastic like detransition. If you make the move, you'll always feel off about it because of the circumstances. And if you detransition, you're no longer being the best version of you that you could be anymore and might even grow bitter and resentful about it.

And sorry for the essay. Half of this is probably just me projecting my own shit because I see myself 10 years ago in this post.

[-] SayJess 3 points 3 days ago

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful response!

Maybe the best course of action here would be just to let her come to you if it's meant to be.

I think you are right. I would never want to jeopardize our friendship by confessing to her. She is her own person, and maybe one day she will surprise me in the best way, but I’m not counting on it.

In the end, our current relationship, as best friends, means so much to me that I could not bear losing her.

The responses have helped confirm to me that keeping this to myself is the best course of action.

Even though this does hurt, I’d rather feel this way than wish I did not irrevocably change our friendship.

[-] souperk@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are a lot of things to unpack here.

First of all, your friend is at vulnerable place and this is not the time for you two to explore a romantic relationship. You will definetely regret rushing things, you sound like a kind person and you don't want to exploit her. Try to be there for her, give time and space for something romantic to develop.

When the time has come try to be clear and formal, ask her for a date, like you are meeting a new person. Dating someone you know for a long time can be confusing and messy, invest the time to understand the romantic side of your relationship.

Also, you deserve to be with someone that appreciates the whole you. De-transitioning should something you do because you want to and not something you do because someone else wants it. You are allowed to change your mind, but make sure you do it for the right reasons.

Last but not least, as far as the equipment is concerned, there are always strap ons 👌

PS the concept of love can be complex and confusing. There is a lot of research around it, but IMO the bottom line is that there are two sides of it you need to be aware. 1) there is limerance which is a feeling and 2) there is love which something you do

[-] SayJess 2 points 3 days ago

Thanks for your reply. I wouldn’t dream of taking advantage of her in her current state. It was only yesterday that I went from actively listening to giving her my advice of what to do with her divorce. I don’t want her to feel like I was pushing for this so that I could come in and try to pick her up. That just feels gross to me.

I know I shouldn’t change myself to be with someone, but for her I’d do anything. She just means that much to me.

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I don't mean to be harsh, but being that close to her... You would know if the feelings were reciprocated. There's nothing in your post that suggests that. It seems you know what to do.

[-] SayJess 2 points 3 days ago

Deep down, I really don’t know how she feels. I’d rather have a one sided love than lose her as a friend.

[-] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Hey OneSidedLover.

Honesty is brutal. It can make or break lifelong commitments.

There’s a lot in your life that’s complicated. But one thing is not - that you care for Grace.

It doesn’t matter if it’s a teenage romance, or one after years of marriage and ups and downs, like what you’re describing… if you’re honest, you can absolutely win the heart you’re after or completely lose them, even if it happens over time due to a series of awkward situations.

So here’s a possibly terrible way of going about it -

Be honest with Grace. Don’t be honest that you are in love with her. Just be honest that you might like women. That you might even detransition for the right one. Tell her that part of the truth. Do NOT try to do a coy “there’s someone who I love” with it being obvious who that someone might be.

If and only if Grace says to you, “you know, I kinda like women too”, you might have an in. If she says “I support you no matter what you do”, good luck with your deep friendship.

It’s never as easy as that. But that’s the advice I have for you today.

Hope this helps ail that aching heart.

[-] SayJess 4 points 3 days ago

The crazy thing is, I don’t find any other woman to be attractive. Like, I’m just not into it. But with her, something feels different.

While I’d love to able to call her my gf or wife or whatever, I’m terrified of losing her altogether. I couldn’t live without her in my life in some way.

[-] latenightnoir 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

First off, I am very sorry you're going through this. It does, indeed, sound like a tough and chewy time, but it's most definitely not wrong.

Secondly, everything's coming from a (moderately) cis straight guy, I really don't know how this situation would play out beyond guessing and imagining, so I apologise in advance if anything comes off as irrelevant, off-key, or even insulting.

To get on with it, the two things I know you shouldn't do right now are the following:

  • Do NOT change who you are for someone else, especially not before you've even broached the subject with said person! Not only are you risking dumping yourself for something which may very well go nowhere, but you may actually dump aspects which the other person would enjoy. Always bring yourself, as you are, to the table. And always keep at least 10% of yourself for yourself.

  • Do NOT get involved in anything until the divorce paperwork is signed and stamped! This is skipping a few major steps, I know, but right now everything should be off limits. It'll just end up becoming a bigger mess, believe me. Plus it wouldn't give you the best start possible, which you already kinda' have through the fact that you're very close friends by the sound of it.

What I would do, in all honesty, is nothing. At least not now, not until she finalises her divorce and has some time to grieve and recover. The best thing you could do is continue being there for her as she goes through The Suck, continue being her friend, that's more valuable than anything right now.

Afterwards, after you've also had some more time to process things, cross the t's and dot the i's, so to speak, you should consider having a talk about it with her. Present your side of things, explain it as best as you can, try to frame it all as "here's where I am, this is what is happening to me." It'll probably be a lot to process for her (or maybe not, but those odds are not worth the bet), so try to put as little pressure on her as possible.

It may make things awkward between you for a while, it may even lead to the dissolution of the friendship. If the latter happens, well... maybe that friendship has reached its natural end. If the former happens and you are absolutely certain you can play The Friend while pining for The Lover's role, then business as usual - be there for her as and when she needs it, give her space to come to terms with the new data, and see where things go.

But, again, no changing who you are! Seriously! As long as you don't have profoundly toxic and/or damaging behaviours (which are a whole different conversation), you should never give yourself up for somebody else! Dating hollow flesh defeats the purpose.

[-] SayJess 3 points 3 days ago

I’m so afraid of losing her as a friend. I probably should just keep this to myself and hope the feelings fade away.

I certainly hope that I don’t have any toxic or damaging qualities. 😅

In the end I just want to see her happy, with or without me in that role.

This sucks.

[-] latenightnoir 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, I get it, believe me... Have a similar situation on my end, with one of my oldest friends. Luckily, it's very easy for me to be her friend and keep things platonic (with the occasional mild flirty poke), so there's been little turmoil. But I did go through another one of these earlier in my life, and that one was just pure anguish. I had to distance myself from the situation after a few years...

Spoil yourself as much as you can right now, besides dampening the impact of things, it'll also serve as a reminder that you can also offer yourself care and attention.

And you can hang on to that love, but I think it needs to fit between very specific points on the intensity/complexity/whatever spectrum in order to be able to comfortably juggle being friends and keeping things in check. If you're there, you can still offer the platonic bit of that love to her. It really does sound like you've fallen hard for her and that you genuinely care about her, and genuinely loving someone for who they are can never be a bad thing. It can be friggin' uncomfortable, sure, but it's never bad to love.

[-] SayJess 3 points 3 days ago

Thank you so much for your responses. It feels so much better to let this out and have someone hear me. Maybe this is all I needed.

I know I shouldn’t change myself for someone else, but for her I’d do anything. Even if that anything means remaining her closest friend and that’s it.

[-] latenightnoir 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You're very welcome! I'm glad I could offer you this, at least!

I understand that sentiment. Paying it heed is a large part of what annihilated my first relationship. Just continue being yourself, because what you're offering as you are is obviously working for her. And still keep that 10% of yourself for yourself. I'm not saying this out of selfishness, but the situation may change and swing you toward not being able to carry it without it affecting you emotionally in a negative way. Be there for her, but be there for yourself as well. Don't pause your life for this.

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