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Andrew*, a Washington University engineering student, was moving all too quickly through his senior year in 2022. He was painfully aware that soon he’d need a job. So he did the same thing as many of his classmates at the McKelvey School of Engineering: he signed on at Boeing. After a quick recruiting process — he didn’t have to leave campus to be interviewed — he was offered a job as a Quality Engineer, working in Boeing’s Berkeley plant, out in the North County suburbs in the shadow of Lambert St. Louis International Airport.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

Good on "Andrew" for walking away.

But people do need to understand: Just because you aren't working for Evil Corp doesn't mean you aren't working for Evil Corp. Some people get a paycheck for Evil Corp. Others contribute to work that eventually finds its way to Evil Corp.

A great example being that 10-20 years ago, the new hotness in computer science research was "big data" and "graph analytics" with EVERYONE scraping twitter and the like to prove that their algorithm was faster or to correlate data faster. Plenty of people insisted they were doing "pure research" and... I should not need to explain the uses for rapid analysis and clustering of social media data.

Because the reality is that you aren't getting money to make teddy bears (well... some people do). Because, at best, you are getting paid to make some asshole a bit richer. More likely you are getting money that has been laundered a few times but is going toward "National Security" and that is true no matter what country you are working in.

I very much spent a few years "developing the Death Star" as it were. And I don't at all regret it. It was some of the most fulfilling research of my life and it taught me a lot of useful skills and has informed my life view. But I'll also always remember what one of my mentors explained to me before putting me in for certain paperwork: Anyone with a soul turns to either activism or alcoholism. And... I am definitely a bit of column A and a bit of column B if you catch my drift.

So yeah. Follow your morals. But understand that ALL people who work in science and engineering are Chris Knight. And even if you do get your popcorn house moment... that death laser is still up there and someone else will find a way to improve on it.

[-] Zorsith 3 points 5 days ago

I very much spent a few years "developing the Death Star" as it were. And I don't at all regret it. It was some of the most fulfilling research of my life and it taught me a lot of useful skills and has informed my life view. But I'll also always remember what one of my mentors explained to me before putting me in for certain paperwork: Anyone with a soul turns to either activism or alcoholism. And... I am definitely a bit of column A and a bit of column B if you catch my drift.

As someone actively working on getting out from "developing the death star", you hit the nail on the head. I don't regret having done the work, and i learned a lot, but I'm burnt out (mentally and emotionally) and its past time for me to leave.

I wont begrudge someone taking the opportunity. Its a fantastic way to start in IT; get a SEC+ or NET+ cert, more or less guaranteed contractor job if you can get clearance. But it is absolutely still a deal with the devil, and you will get burned if you stick around too long.

Having lived in STL for about 10 years now, I know a ton of Boeing people. Every single one of them who's still there hates it, and the others got away as quickly as they could. It's somewhat universally known as a shit show in town, but I'm confident that info doesn't make it to college students or new grads. The universities benefit too much from Boeing.

[-] ilmagico@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

As an engineer, I'm not really an activist or anything, but I'll be living under a bridge before I accept a job at a "defense" company that makes weapons, of which there seem to be many these days. And yes, I have this statement (with slightly different wording) as a note to recruiters in my linkedin profile.

Good to know I'm not the only one taking a stance on this.

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