In Germany if there is an measles outbreak. Unvaccinated kids aren't allowed into day cares or schools. Much to the dismay of their parents who have to stay at home instead of work. But this of course is protecting the other kids, and the unvaccinated kids themselves and is the best thing they can do in the circumstances. Minimize exposure, minimize the number of victims.
Meanwhile those parents cry foul and consider it pressure from the government to force them to vaccinate.
force them to vaccinate.
Let's be real here. This should be forced unless medically said otherwise by a provider with proof of allergen or other complications.
Careful there.
Whilst the measles vaccine is safe and beneficial. Who knows what a future government might want to inject into it's citizens. Not that long ago a leader of a certain country suggested injecting bleach to cure Covid. If you give the government the power to force you to inject vaccines, you also give them the power to inject anything else. The downside of freedom is also the freedom to make bad choices.
When the Dutch police was looking to replace it's standard handgun, the new candidate could carry twice the number of bullets. It was rejected not because they didn't need that many bullets. But that an potential unfriendly Dutch government in the future would not possess even more lethality to apply on the citizenry.
Key difference there is vaccines were backed by science and bleach injections were not. Unless you count any scientific evidence of death.
The point is that forcing vaccines is also opening the gates to other things you might not want.
My bleach example was meant to illustrate that a government could decide substance X was safe, even if the science disagrees. And by law you would be forced to get it injected.
In the 50's to 80's being vaccinated was manditory to enter school (in a lot of places). It has been done before and can be done again.
The only difference between then and now was the majority of citizens trusted their gov'ts. Over time politician's lies, thievery and bribery have removed that trust.
If you want that trust to thrive again, force politicians to stop lying ... and if they're caught they automatically go to jail.
I agree with you for the most part. But seeing the current trend of right-wing governments and felons becoming presidents. I'm not sure if I'll be alive to see that day.
Well that is why I added the part about a provider with proof. A provider would be able to except you from injecting bleach, because the science says it's not safe.
Your other comment about "The downside of freedom is also the freedom to make bad choices." I disagree. Your freedom ends when it infringes on mine. If your kid gets the flu from another kid in daycare because that parent decided "I'll make a bad choice" now that bad choice they made is impacting your health. The same applies to vaccines. I could make the "bad choice" to play bumper cars on the freeway, but now I'd be directly impacting others lives based on my "freedom".
That's very naïve. Right now even doctors in Texas are letting young women die, knowingly, because they're not allowed to save them because it's not a disease but a dead fetus that's killing them. Which they are not allowed to remove.
To prevent those bad choices infringing on others is why Germany has those rules in place.
"I could make the “bad choice” to play bumper cars on the freeway" Sure, but with your logic the solution to that would be to force everyone to take the bus instead.
I guess my repeating "BACKED BY SCIENCE" is not doing anything. I guess we're done here. Especially so if your logic jump from bumper cars is take the bus, not "Don't play bumper cars."
No point arguing. Have a nice day.
That's why I think your being naïve. Backed by science, sure. But the link between autism and vaccines was also backed by science. Despite it being false. And who is funding the science? And who is deciding what get's published? And who is peer reviewing it?
Science is a messy human process. And can be misappropriated by those in power.
But the link between autism and vaccines was also backed by science. Despite it being false.
Then you don't know what that term means. If the science is false, then it is fundamentally NOT backed by science.
Not anymore, but at the time it came out it was.
I mean, you could make that kind of slippery slope argument about anything. If you let congress pass laws, they might pass any sort of crazy law. If you let your friend grab a drink from your fridge, he might grab anything from your fridge!
We shouldn't be treating this like we're asking for wishes from a malicious genie.
Who knows what a future government might want to inject into it's citizens.
While true, the government has the authority to just pass laws "generally" which can also be abused. Which is why we need to be careful to elect competent and sober representatives who.... Oh shit...
When I was a kid we had to show a vaccination card (that listed all the vaxxes we'd received) to even register for school.
No card, no school.
Mind you the ravages of polio was still recent history then, and nobody wanted to be infected with that.
Unfortunately the Q-idiots want that shit bad along with their Measles.
I've never seen people so quick to harm their kids as these folks.
I know it is nice to point out the stupidities and stating that you were right. But it just makes me feel sad. The amount of misinformation and misguided choices that have led to this situation were innocent people suffer.
For no good reason.
I hope, sincerely, the next time one speaks on 'protecting the children' they act like it.
I hope, sincerely, the next time one speaks on ‘protecting the children’ they act like it.
These people care way more about appearing like they give a shit than actually, you know, giving a shit.
...and they had the audacity to call liberals and leftists "Social Justice Warriors" who didn't actually stand for the principles they espoused.
Every accusation is a confession.
The victims here are all children. I am intensely angry at their irresponsible parents and even more so at the profiteering hucksters who convinced them that vaccines (that the parents already received) were bad.
They probably either don't check for vaccinations, or they let it slip generously if parents have a "religious or philosophical objection to vaccination".
Welcome to "Kill a Kid Daycare".
Huh, I have like, 35 cousins in Lubbock.
Anyways. I might call in to work tomorrow, stating my perineum hurts, and that I may have pulled or strained it.
I guess the best we can hope for is that all the children survive with no lasting effects and all their parents get a big enough dose of terror to break through their antivax brainrot.
And vaccines work far better than hope in preventing measles infections & the numerous bodily harms that can result
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The timing from The Pitt was spot on
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