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[-] janNatan@lemmy.ml 207 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don't like that.

However, some of you whipper snappers don't know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.

Edit: added "allegedly"

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 71 points 3 months ago

I'm on ML because it is the dev's instance, that's it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 months ago

.ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don't mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO

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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, it's a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

That was the state of things back in '23 when the first migration happened

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[-] nimble 16 points 3 months ago

Just don't post anything anti China or Russia and you'll be fine.

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[-] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

I left .world for sh.itjust.works....eyeing db0 tho

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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 46 points 3 months ago

Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).

They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and "just ask questions", like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such 'questions', even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.

Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don't concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
But well, I also don't concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don't have to agree with everything they think, just because I'm on their instance, so I don't care nearly as much as some other folks here.

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[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 months ago

At this point I'm not sure if they are tankies, or whether they've just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago

Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

Good to know, I totally thought it was a pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev's use of tanks, and I rarely see people talking about that so I was very confused.

Note: this comment is dripping with sarcasm

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago
[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This makes sense.

I do think "tankie" is the wrong word, as "bootlicker" sounds more apt since Russia hasn't been communist since '91.

As in, these devs are definitely authoritarian, but communist? Absolutely not.

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[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago

I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.

Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an "old account". All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.

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[-] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Tankies aren't real leftists. They're morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they'll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they're the authoritarian "left"... as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority...

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[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

My words. We arent done justice

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago

I am confused now. I was just called a "leftist Nazi" and "liberal right wing nazi". Lulz.

My point is that I think the terms "leftist" and "liberal" have been redefined again, just as a heads up.

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[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 65 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or "great leaders and allies to the cause", most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.

They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.

[-] Konkyer@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

Damn it all. They didn't disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

hey look a post from a lib that's so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can't contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷

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[-] ClipperDefiance@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago

Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren't part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.

Basically, there's a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.

That's my understanding of the situation anyway.

[-] Vegeta@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago

I don't know what I expected but it wasn't this. I had no idea.

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[-] Konkyer@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

All three are very reasonable and fun if you go in actually willing to chat.

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[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 52 points 3 months ago

As someone brand new to Lemmy I'm now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.

I didn't realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 21 points 3 months ago

Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don't care.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago

didn't you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?

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[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.

Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I'm not a communist)

So I'd say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.

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[-] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 15 points 3 months ago

there's always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.

the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and "karma" won't transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Basically, .ml Tankies (I don't consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they're a .ml users) are authoritarian ~~bootlickers~~ “communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”

So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)

Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.

.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester

You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I've linked here is but a mere sampling of what's been collected there

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist's class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their "silly" ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where... Gasp... You can't grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.

They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist's exploitation.

Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life... So far! 🔥🌎🔥

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 46 points 3 months ago

Socialism works in theory, but in practice they have not solved the problem of CIA death squads murdering their leaders and fomenting a coup.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 17 points 3 months ago

A few kinda solved it, namely Soviet Union and Cuba. And libs will never forgive them for it.

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[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and <insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere> as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a "leftist", "socialist", "communist", or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they're edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.

"wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?"

You can hate "The West", their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.

Doesn't mean you should suck dictators' dicks because they're "not The West".

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 14 points 3 months ago

Doesn't mean you should suck dictators' dicks

Why the homophobic comment though

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

(Takes a deep breath, clears mind, gets into character)

This meme format is a product of capitalism, posted to a capitalist instance, and you should be ashamed. Instead of posting an image of a capitalist pig, why aren't you out in the streets burning shit down??/? There's no good capitalist. If you're not out in the streets overthrowing capitalism and burning everything down, RIGHT NOW, you're part of the problem! Rabble Rabble Rabble, guillotines, violence violence violence.

In a nutshell, anyway. Or at least that's how it was from users there on every 3rd post/comment before my instance finally defederated.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 38 points 3 months ago

The main problem is that any criticism of China is met with an instant ban, as per "Rule 1, 2".

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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 months ago

Many (not all) ml users are fairly rabid when it comes to their own flavor of propaganda. If you ever casually chat with them on Lemmy, just understand that they have a completely different world view so don't mention things related to politics, country borders, history, government structure, major battles during WW2, sparrow populations or what color the sky is and you should be fine.

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[-] Tieas@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago

Wow that's super interesting. I just signed up for Lemmy last month and I just googled what to sign up for and .Ml was the first one that came up. Fuck tankies and fuck commies so I guess I'm definitely going to get lumped into them for now. Oh well

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Because there's not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.

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[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 20 points 3 months ago

The problem is .ml’s rules are inconsistent. Criticism against China is put under the rule “be respectful”, but you can criticise any other nation or group, except for maybe Hezbollah.

If they would just write it in the rules, like they did on their old PeerTube instance PeerTube.social, I wouldn’t mind.

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[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

You can see it for yourself.

Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.

For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.

See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of "no xenophobia".

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