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Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev (www.euronews.com)

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“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 140 points 1 year ago

I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago

The toys we're sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have...and they're fighting against a force that's getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war...all it would need to do is attack NATO.

[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

72? Pretty generous. I'm pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago

Good news then: If you go to war with one NATO member you get war with the rest of them absolutely free!

[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.

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[-] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he's threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you're not invited to his birthday party...

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maxim Katz has explained that these kinds of deranged declarations are not directed at us. They are a kind of symbolic self-humiliation of Medvedev to prove to Putin that he is still loyal. It's "look I am willing to appear so wretched and ridiculous to the foreigners, I could not possibly be a threat to you, I am not some kind of alternative that could replace you, I am such a silly man, please don't throw me out of a window".

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Speculation runs that Dimi has been told by the Tsar that if he acts like the tough guy he isn't with enough bravado, he'll be allowed to sit in the big boys' chair and pretend to be president again.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you

Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

When has either the Soviet Union or Russia “won” anything in the last 150 years?

Their “win” in WWII was throwing as many bodies as possible and starving their own cities to delay the Germans long enough for winter to set in.

Soviet casualties were 4.5x higher than Axis casualties in operation Barbarossa. They lost 21k aircraft to 2800 for the Germans. 20k tanks destroyed vs 2700 for the Germans. And 4.5 million casualties compared to 1 million for the Germans.

I wouldn’t call that “burying” anyone. The biggest effect it had was weakening the Germans enough for the Allies to finish the job on the Western Front and bail the Soviets out.

The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 80s because of the US funding the Mujahideen.

Their biggest victory in the last century was taking Crimea because nobody else stepped up to help Ukraine like we are now.

Russia has nukes. That’s it. Beyond that they’re worthless militarily.

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[-] carlosfm@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago

The second greatest army in Ukraine wants to mess with Nato? LOL

[-] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

War has fuck-all to do with rights. If you're going to attack a NATO country we will beat your ass back into the stone age without mercy, your nukes won't save you if you dare cross that line.

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[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

So has Denmark.

Though it would be funny ig Russia didn't. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying "no, it's against the law."

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I mean... he's not wrong? They could have a war with NATO any time they wanted it. Russia could have war with NATO whenever they want it. They've been very careful to not actually DO that, of course. Last thing they need is to start losing another one with someone who won't have any difficulty in bringing the full conflict right to them.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They can't even fight a small country like Ukraine and they want to test the might of a fully armed and optional ~~Battlestaion~~ NATO alliance? Do they believe that anyone really believes them?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is no small country, either in terms of area or population.

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[-] squidman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

But do they have the ability to war? 🤔

[-] straycat 30 points 1 year ago

History's on their side? Boy do I have news for him...

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[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

A right to war? Are you fucking high?

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

These dumbfucks can’t manage a war with Ukraine. To state the obvious.

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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

A house cat has the right to attack a lion as well...

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago

Mate, you can't even win against a non-NATO country, that happens to be the poorest in Europe.

But sure, you have the right to have a war with everyone. Even if we all know you can't.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

“Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?” - Mr. Blonde.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Well, yeah. Everyone has the right to make bad decisions

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

And everyone has the right to shoot back. Not sure why such a declaration comes across as so one sided.

[-] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I mean... I can't see any issue with NATO not stopping Ukraine from invading its own territory... the territory the UN recognizes as part of Ukraine... and which Russia signed three separate treaties promising to respect as part of Ukraine.

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[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Oh no, we're all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.

[-] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev

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[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

... I mean, ok?

Come get some.

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[-] WiildFiire@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they're busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Krushchev is an interesting person to quote here. Wasn't he stripped of power by an empire that would utterly collapse within 20 years of his death?

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Sure. And the mouse has the right to war with the elephant. But it's not a very clever thing to do.

[-] Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Okay...? Why would you want to though? Just want to kill a lot of people for no other reason than, "but I have the right to!"

[-] umbraroze@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Freedom of ~~Speech~~ War doesn't mean Freedom from Consequences!

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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Going to war isn't about rights. Rights are a soft power thing while war is purely about hard power. What is he even trying to say here? Like if there was a right and lack of a right to war, what would they look like? What would the functional difference between the two be?

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[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Ha! Your mouth is writing checks your ass can't cash.

I wish a motherfucker would tho.

[-] flying_monkies@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

🎶Dumb ways to die 🎶

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