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I really don't like the amount of violence being suggested here. Trump needs to be removed but a lot of you are suggesting to support violent fantasies.
By the way that's a very strong tactic be terrifically Republicans to make the left look unhinged. And they're correct. It will turn a lot of people against you. Most are not violent people.
The point of making the 'left', or any opponent, look unhinged is to pressure them into submission. The reason why this works very well is because your media is complicit in amplifying any wrongdoings by any opponents and twisting the perception.
i mean, check out protests in Europe and how they're framed by their media. Even your Vietnam war protests back in the day; your media started banging on about them being drug users and layabouts to make dismissing their cause much easier.
I just think Americans have lost a lot of people power if you have to protest while walking on eggshells. Best thing to combat it is to have a conversation with everyone. Get people chatting face to face rather than having the TV spout nonsense at them.
Same here. The peaceful inclusive protest in Sackets Harbor, NY over the weekend worked. The immigrant children and their mother are being returned from Texas as I type this. Don’t give Trumpy any room to paint the left as unhinged.
Great!... now take this momentum and do a general strike! a week should do it
That's not really how a general strike works. You can't just post on the internet "do a general strike" and expect it to happen or be effective. Where are the strike funds to help feed people and pay their rent when they stop getting paychecks? Where are your strike captains to organize demonstration events? Where is your army of strike lawyers to defend people when they inevitably get arrested?
General strikes take a long time and a lot of resources to plan. Only then can one be effective.
it's strike to prevent sliding into fascism, not a parade
And you're never going to get people on board if the solution (general strike) doesn't meet their material needs. If people have to starve and lose their homes while under threat of arrest or more violent action, you need a way to support them or they won't stick with it. Revolutions are built on mutual aide and community organizing, not empty platitudes and gumption. Or, worse yet, shit posting and cynicism.
then fascism it is, sadly you are waaaay past signs and petitions
hopefully I'm wrong
Now all of these people converge on Mar-a-Lago and burn it to the ground. Preferably with Trump and Musk inside.
Everywhere except the past... where we fucking needed it.
Most people do not care about (and do not want to care about) anything under the broad topic of "politics".
If you try to force them to care, they will punish you. That's what we're seeing, but it's also why it's so damn hard to stir people to action before things go wrong.
I could not agree more
First there was the Arab Spring.
Then the Balkan Spring.
So this is... the American Spring? Sounds like a brand of bottled water.
Now you have the numbers go physically remove the shit head and all his lackies, cause he's not going to go willingly.
I just watched a video from one f the big networks. They had originally done a story about the protest in Boston talking about 10,000-30,000 strong, despite organizers estimating much higher. This video revised attendance in Boston to 100,000
Their demands seem to be as feeble they might as well not exist. So the mass protests might not exist as well. Hands off bla bla lol, might as well send a sternly written letter haha. "Oh please sir, could you possibly be less rough with me?!"
I heard that the USA has been involved in illegal regime change in other countries 62 times. Sixty two times! Overthrowing quite a few democracies too. But for the US this seems unthinkable still, even for mother jones. A simple demand like the Trump administration to step down and call for new elections seems to be nowhere to be found.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT REVOLUTION!
This is exactly how every single popular uprising in history has started: by overwhelming numbers of people getting out in the streets to have their voices heard. They always start off as peaceful until drive past that by elite/institutional reaction.
If this were a single instance, then, yes, it would seem feeble and ineffectual. But it's not. It's the early days of a large movement. We're less than 3 months into the regime and this past Saturday was already the single largest day of protest in American history. And there's another one scheduled in 2 weeks on the 19th.
I was at the protest in DC. There was 100k+ people there. I've been a political activist since the protests against the Iraq War in 2003. This event on Saturday was notably different than any other I've attended in 2 ways. One was the sheer size, larger than any other protest in DC I've seen. The other was the demographic composition of the crowd. All previous protests I've been to were primarily filled with male-presenting young people. This was very different. At 38 years old, I was definitely younger than the majority of the people there. It was also far more racially diverse than any other events I've been to except for the 2020 uprising.
What do you expect a giant crowd of people mostly in their 40s-60s to do? You think they were all going to storm the White House or Capital?
For that matter, what are you doing? You say these demonstrations are pathetic? Then surely you must be taking more radical actions that have a much higher chance of effecting change. I'd love to join in, so, please, tell me what you're doing that's puts the 5 million people out in the streets on Saturday to shame?
Well not wrong but without clear demands there can be not even a chance for anything to happen. Then it's just a big angry party. So something like call for new election. Because this one was fraud based on lies and the current administration is engaged in treason / economic terrorism.
There is no mechanism within American politics to run a new election. If that's the demand, we first would need to amend the Constitution, which isn't going to happen, or violently overthrow the government. Just demanding, "run a new election" is as empty a demand as anything else you could imagine.
Take a look at how the US facilitates regime change. It's always extra-legal. If you can't even imagine it, then it's just a pathetic and empty show of frustration. And that's on the people of the USA (and the media of course that manipulates and indoctrinates them).
Sure. And the US government has the CIA and military to enact that regime change. Plus they have all the cops and military to defend against a popular uprising overthrowing the government.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but we're still in the early stages of a popular uprising. That's what these protests are about. This one on Saturday got, reportedly, ~5 million people on the streets at the same time. That's ~1.5% of the country's population. According to the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict, it takes ~3.5% of the population mass mobilizing at the same time to effect political change. That's ~12 million people. That's why this wasn't a 1 and done protest. The next one is already scheduled for April 19. And there will be another after that. And another after that.
Let's not just aim for 3.5%. Go higher. What can 5% of the country, 17 million people, do if we're all out in the streets together? Rather than just complain that one single protest didn't immediately result in widespread political change, why don't you get out there and join us on the 19th? Bring your friends. Bring your family. Help make a change rather than just complaining that others aren't doing it for you.
I was in DC on Saturday too, and I also have been going since W Bush's first inauguration, and several anti war protests after that. I always enjoy seeing people out on the street, but I also feel like these protests don't really accomplish anything as such. They are just really easy to ignore, unfortunately. Participants feel good about themselves, and hopefully build relationships with new people. But did that crowd on Saturday threaten anyone? Did any elected officials (R or D) feel nervous about it? Were there any demands made that will be met? Again, I do appreciate so many people taking the time to protest, but I hope that plenty of them have a line at which they will take stronger action, and that it doesn't come too late.
Very good, take large potato from bin.
As it stands now leadership change in the US does not include the possibility of calling elections.
If Trump steps down, Vance takes over. If Vance also steps down, it's Mike Johnson, then Chuck Grassley, Marco Rubio, and so on.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
For that to change, Congress would have to establish a new presidential succession process, which they could do. However, they won't.
this just shows how Americans only care for themself. take 15% stock loss then they go out. but when they let 100k children die in agony, crickets.
There have been many protests even before the stock market issues. Even before Trump was elected there were protests across the nation at college campuses representing Palestinians. Even my very politically inactive university had enough students feel strongly enough to protest. Just because you’re not seeing them, or looking for them, doesn’t mean protests weren’t happening.
These were scheduled for a long time, they weren't like randomly thrown together in a single day lol
These events started pretty much the moment Trump took office. This was the second national day of protest since inauguration, and smaller events have been happening all over the country weekly. This event was not motivated by the stock market.
These were planned several weeks back, and would have happened no matter what happened to the stock market.
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