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Why the right still embraces Ivermectin (www.nytimes.com)

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[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 76 points 3 days ago

I've heard that this mess started because Ivermectin was tested in the developing world as a treatment for Covid, and that some of those who took it reported "feeling better."

Except in those parts of the world, many many people have untreated, festering parasite infestations like hookworm and many others. So yeah, when they take an antiparasitic compound, they start "feeling better," whether they have Covid or not.

[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 31 points 3 days ago

Well the right wing is pretty wormy so

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 30 points 3 days ago

Maybe that's what killed RFK Jr's brain worm.

[-] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago

Depends on the timeline, but coincidentally, yes it could have. He's out there eating festering roadkill and carving the heads off of bloated whales, he realistically probably did have parasites, and ivermectin should be routine for him. Not for COVID, of course.

[-] Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

It probably starved to death

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

One of the reasons I hate that fucker is that I can't listen to Maggot Brain anymore without thinking of him. That incredible Eddie Hazel solo is now lost to me.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Someone should photoshop the Maggot Brain cover with RFK,Jrs head on it. I cant do it, my graphic design skills suck, but I know there are people that could do it.

Please do it, the world needs it.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I would like to point out that I absolutely believe people on their 4th day of COVID might take an anti-parasitical and start feeling better than they have in years.

One, they naturally got over covid.

Two, their rural ass did in fact have some worms.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

That doesn't explain why Americans bought into it.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Americans have education levels of the developing world. Probably worse, since many worship ignorance.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Social media circus got a hold of the "results," doctors said "No, that's dumb," and then the terminally contrarian went off the deep end with "what are they hiding from us!?!?" As they do every single time a quick and cheap "cure" is debunked.

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Actually I heard that physiologically improbable levels of the drug inhibited viral replication in cell culture. It is a common phenomenon that many things apparently inhibit pathogens in culture but are ineffective or harmful in an intact organism. Often this is because physiologically impossible concentrations are used in cell cultures. Often in concentrations that interfere with biology and metabolism of the cells in culture to the extent that viruses can't replicate in the cells rendered moribund by the high concentrations of the substance being tested.

[-] Dravin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

It is a common phenomenon that many things apparently inhibit pathogens in culture but are ineffective or harmful in an intact organism.

It brings to mind this XKCD.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Like injecting bleach...

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

also the right is taking horse and cattle paste, which is much higher doses, and is dangerous for people. also only useful for intestinal parasites, the ones that enter other organs need other anti-parasitic drugs. in low doses, medically it is also used for rosacea and perioral dermatitis topically.

[-] brightandshinyobject@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I would love some more information on this to counter my antivax family.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

It's no great achievement to believe facts. Believing flagrant bullshit takes far more effort, and therefore can be used as a sign of loyalty.

Anyway, they're too stupid to tell truth from lies.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So most of ivermectin followers came from Rogan being an unintelligentual influencer with followers. I'm curious now that he has finally started finally breaking from Trump's suck my cock like a proper republican rhetoric, if maybe he'll start to recognize and bash these 1/100 fake science bullshitrrs they've gone out of their way to promote their ludicrousness we will be better off. It's sad to say, but America can be saved by ~10 influencers or Rupert Murdock not being a murderous piece of shit for 1 day. That said. If you know Murdoch's family, tell them they should all hang for me. Every member of that family is guilty of murder. Not just 1 murder either. Millions. If they want their freedom, they need to do the right thing.

Just because they didn't fire the gun, doesn't mean they were not behind it. Just about every hate crime in America in the past 15 years is Fox's fault. If Murdoch cared about his family he'd shut down Fox and never set foot in America again.

9/10 school shootings, I can safely say. Murdoch. Hang the fucker

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

If anyone’s pinning their hopes on Rogan doing anything sensible… well, have fun with that.

[-] pixeltree 1 points 2 days ago

Oh definitely not, the hope was beaten out of me a long time ago.

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Same reason they're still hung up on Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton: the nazi grifters keep recycling the same material.

If anything, they're going further and further back, reviving fringe conspiracies, so that it seems like the plot to oppress them has continuity throughout history, even since ancient times. (Of course, the problem with that is having to skirt around the OG nazis, who did the same thing with essentially the same conspiracies.)

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

To them nothing exists before Reagan, except when they want to bash Carter as the caveman that Reagan took America from.

Go back any further, and they have the only president who was never elected (Ford) or the first president to resign in disgrace (Nixon), although every Republican president since Nixon should have resigned, or in the case of one, arrested, tried, and executed.

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah, I was saying more broadly, but you're right.

Also, reading your reply made me realize something: this existential apocalyptic danger that they use to justify their extremism, it's both a recent emergency that will destroy society if we don't act now and an ancient Satanic plot that has existed since time immemorial.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

You reference to a societal emergency reminded me of Skum's recent Cheesehsed Speech, in which he claimed the the Wisconsin Supreme Court election was important to the entire world. His propaganda starts at about 1:20.

https://youtu.be/nPsl-_SuFxM

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

I'm fine with the "let them destroy themselves“ angle but they're also in power. Lawsuits are currently in motion that would revoke FDA approval for common vaccines. Revocation means nobody (except the rich) gets them.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Cool; I’ll find a way to emigrate to Canada or the EU or something. I’m a skilled software engineer with specialization in devops, automation, data pipelines, and test framework design. I will leave and take my skills with me, as a refugee if I must. And I know for damn sure a lot of people I know with similar levels of skill who will do the same.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 3 days ago

Congrats

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

My point is that I’m going to be part of the brain drain if we continue on this trajectory.

[-] ragingdachshund@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

Because they’re fucking stupid. Let them shovel it in their faces and improve the gene pool. who the fuck cares?

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Let them eat that stuff by the spoonful. You cannot convince them otherwise, anyway. If they survive, good for them, if not, they just claim it was gods will.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

If not, good for humanity.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 16 points 3 days ago

It's because they're the kind of stupid that follows in-group beliefs more than verifiable reality. We're all susceptible to overly weighing what our in-group says, but some people take it to dangerous levels.

And also there are grifters taking advantage of them.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

That's one reason these giant protest demonstrations are so important. These people are cowards at their core, and they want to be on the strongest side, so seeing millions of people demonstrating sends the message that anti-MAGA forces arent just some anti-American media jerks, there are millions of real people on their side. Many will see that, and conclude that they should get on the side with the numbers.

Thats how HitlerPig built his following in the first place. The big crowds at his early rallies worked the same way to attract malleable followers to his side. Democrats can do the same thing with demonstrations that attract much larger crowds than his rallies.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 days ago

This is an interesting thought. It's worrisome if they'd look like allies but don't have any actual convictions, but I guess those people will always be with us.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

All we need is their votes, and barring that, their apathy, so they wont interfere when it kicks off.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I'm happy my in-group has an actual doctor. I love being able to ask her random questions and verifying things I've heard.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

My formerly happy in-group had a former army medic and current RN that fully supported all the crazy Republican COVID bullshit, while actively seeing those "treatments" do absolutely nothing at her job every fucking day.

Not all doctors and nurses are smart just because they graduated. Like with any job that requires a lot of memorization, some people memorize well but can't actually problem solve in the real world beyond it. You'd think a former Army Medic and Trauma RN wouldn't fall for that shit, yet there she is to this day still.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I can never understand how truly intelligent people buy into imaginary concepts.

The other day there was a Jeopardy champ who had won 4 games. One more win, and he would qualify for the Tournament of Champions, and come back to play again, where even the losing prize money was significant.

In his personal anecdote piece, he thanked his lord and savior Jesus Christ, who has done so much for him, THEN he thanked his family. Here's a guy who had demonstrated how intelligent he was by tearing through 4 Jeopardy wins, and yet he was putting an imaginary ancient religious construct ahead of his family.

He went on to lose the 5th game, and his chance at the Tournament. The deer-in-the-headlights look at the end, as he realized that his lord and savior had forsaken him in his hour of need, was priceless.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Obligatory old joke:

Q: What do you call the student who graduated last in their class at med school?

A: "doctor"

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 3 days ago

My experience is that nurses are not particularly intelligent or even that well-educated. Which isn't to say that they are less intelligent or less educated than the average person--moreso that they are very much the average person.

Doctors are very hit or miss.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

from what ive gathered, nurses in many areas have a huge shortage, so they waive some certain programs for them to get an RN license asap. so many fall through the cracks, especially in rural and red areas. i think more blue areas have more stringent rules. also the smart ones are doing travelling nursing anyways.

Doctors, is probably harder to tell, probably dont want a passing grade average doctor, over one that top grades and successful clinical experience, or research(if they done that). additionally ones from elitist colleges, like harvard, stanford, yale? etc, produce elitist doctors, and many of them have that attitude, i have heard some employers wont hire some of these graduates either. i remember an article where someone complained about a yale.harvard doctor on yelp about his shady pratices, and he decided to sue the reviewer. some doctors are extremely jaded to thier patients, they ignore thier concerns.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My mother, born and raised in Norway, fucking believes this shit about Ivermectin. Like... Why???

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

My mother passed away last summer. While cleaning out her house we found a half used bottle of ivermectin injectable solution. Like I’m pretty sure my mother bought vet supplies and was injecting herself.

[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 12 points 3 days ago

Why the long face?

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Because they're incredibly ignorant

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Willfully. They don't have to be so stupid, they choose it.

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

They simply don't die fast enough from their medical idiocy to suit me.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Darwinism is a slow process, but it always wins in the end...until the meteor arrives with a better idea.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because…

a) wellness conmen don’t stop the con

b) cognitive dissonance for people embedded into conservative social and media bubbles

c) MAGA politicians never admit that they intentionally or unintentionally gave people bad advice.

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