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Why dating is hard (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world

Edit: because a few comments make me worry that some are taking this seriously - this meme is a play on the type of hopeless dating posts you might find in less healthy corners of the internet. The joke is a suggestion that the real problem is that one man in the image has some sort of arrow-attracting superpower.

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[-] Rekonok@sh.itjust.works 165 points 1 week ago
[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago

Too late. He was already immortal.

[-] Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Is this the Lord Ruler? Thought he was supposed to look a little older, tho not much.

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[-] remolatxa@info.prou.be 21 points 1 week ago

now THIS is a proper repurposing of that stupid incel diagram! xD

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 94 points 1 week ago

So what you're saying is to go to an archery field to find a woman! I've been doing it wrong the whole time!

[-] vrojak@feddit.org 60 points 1 week ago

You might not get hit on but you will get hit

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

They definitely got the point

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[-] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Fair warning, the naked fat guy with the bow and arrow is not Cupid. He is just an exhibitionist. An arrow to the heart will NOT make you fall in love.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 week ago

So a possible answer is to live as a hermit in the middle of nowhere. And if a woman appears for some reason, she will have no choice but your long bearded, long matted haired, musk scented, disheveled, gaunt self as a possible mate.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago

Ah, the actual 'last possible mate in the world' strategy.

We must procreate for thr human species!

lol

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 week ago

I know it’s a joke, but I feel like to be fair to both genders, each man here should arrows pointing to every woman.

[-] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The original image, and your extension, are an emergent behavior as a result of The Algorithm - due to "scarcity", Player B (men) is (are) encouraged to roll the dice as frequently as possible.

This whole dynamic is real, results in negative interactions for both players, and is intentionally set up by the apps to maintain engagement and extract as much money via pay-to-play advantages as possible. Dating apps are rigged to give men and women bad experiences so they (largely men) become desperate enough to pay $25 a month or whatever to have an unfair advantage.

The internet (and other players!) likes to hate the players, not the game, and the only "comfort" many young men have is Tate and Co.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Dating apps are rigged to give men and women bad experiences so they (largely men) become desperate enough to pay $25 a month or whatever to have an unfair advantage.

It gets worse, as the engagement mechanic populates the apps with a particular kind of guy who is obnoxiously aggressive, persistent, and convinced that this is a game they can brute force with time/money. So women end up being introduced to a string of guys who believe they've "won" a date by "beating" the game while women are left fishing for profiles that don't look completely gross or insane.

And that's before you get into end-users who are straight up escorts or pimps or predators, fully internalizing the idea that site participants are just resources to extract.

It isn't merely about giving people a bad experience, but to give them a cheap thrill that keeps them coming back to the apps without ever finding a fulfilling relationship that would render the website superfluous.

The internet (and other players!) likes to hate the players, not the game, and the only “comfort” many young men have is Tate and Co.

Tate on one side and Estee Williams on the other. Men are told to treat women like a commodity - interchangeable, disposable, and ultimately hostile to your personal interests - that you rent out when you've accrued enough surplus wealth. Women are told to embrace submissiveness, obsess over superficial appearance, and pursue men based entirely on their socio-economic status in pursuit of the same kind of passive incomes that Tate is selling.

These conservative icons put men and women into an inherent contradictory position, with the idea of two people coming together as collaborators (much less romantic partners) is fully alien. You're purchasing a man's income with your looks. He's purchasing your looks with his hustle-money. You're both purchasing the other's status, with an eye towards a higher rung on the ladder. Neither one of sees the other as a life partner.

[-] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

The commodification of our most base needs, such as romantic relationships, is truly troubling. So much unrest because things like food, shelter, and reproduction are paywalled. Makes the population more vulnerable to fascist ideals.

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[-] dzso@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

If you're an average guy tempted to believe this, allow me, as an average guy who gets plenty of women, to tell you how it works. You are the one with the arrows, but if you don't shoot your shot, out of fear of rejection, you're never going to get what you want. So get out there and start shooting your shot.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Straight up, the best living proof of this I've ever seen was a fifty-odd year old co-worker whose face looked like if you stuck Don Knotts' face in a microwave/centrifuge combination for about 45 seconds. Dude had teeth poking out forward at near right angles. He pulled so much fucking tail, it was a constant problem at work. Incels refuse to believe me when I tell them about it, but, just, shit, idk what you want me to say, this quasi modo ass dude had game, so what's your excuse?

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Fucking same, man. Guy I used to work with was 57, alcoholic, had like 3 teeth left, bad attitude, the works. Looked like a man-rat hybrid had been drinking moonshine and gasoline for two centuries. Brought a new woman home from the bars at least once a week. Some of them half his age. I know he wasn't rich either because I'd been to his house before and I occasionally had to lend him some cash, so it's not like he was flexing with money.

I got to actually hear him put the moves on somebody once and I don't remember his opener but I shit you not his winning line was "Yeah I tell ya, I'm hung like a pimple but I've had some good practice with it, wanna come see?" and a little wink and I swear on my ancestors it fucking worked, it's insane, I thought I was having a stroke.

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[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

An average guy who shoots his shot is practically already above average. Most don't shoot their shot, or very very timidly with maximum safety

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[-] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Joke's on that guy, all the women on the Internet are really just this guy:

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I remember hitting puberty and realizing most of the guys had crushes on the same three or four basic makeup pasted fake ass girls so….sure whatever you say

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Found the femcel

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

So, you were surprised when boys who were just hitting puberty were interested in the girls who were actually flirting with them??

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

Or girls who put some effort into their appearance? Fuck those whores trying to look attractive am I right?!

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why so hurt? The point is that it works both ways, that's all. Perhaps you're into more makeup and she finds it fake. It's ok either way.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because "basic makeup pasted fake ass girls" are also people, they don't deserve any more hate or dislike than anyone else based on this alone. It can not be your type, but the original person talking about this obviously had a relatively intense dislike/resentment.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

As a guy I can assure you this isn't true.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Society is borked in many ways, and dating sites often reinforce this with their policies.

The Wikipedia article about online dating tells that typical (I assume: card stack, like / dislike) dating sites cause different genders to adopt different strategies:

Men liked a large proportion of the profiles they viewed, but received returning likes only 0.6% of the time; women were much more selective but received matches 10% of the time. Men received matches at a much slower rate than women. Once they received a match, women were far more likely than men to send a message, 21% compared to 7%, but they took more time before doing so.

By sending out questionnaires to frequent Tinder users, the researchers discovered that the reason why men tended to like a large proportion of the women they saw was to increase their chances of getting a match. This led to a feedback loop in which men liked more and more of the profiles they saw while women could afford to be even more selective in liking profiles because of a greater probability of a match.[15]

P.S.

My biggest peeve is that the monopolist Match Group (runs Tinder, bought and ruined OkCupid, etc) and its nearest competitor Bumble have both adopted a card stack system that makes searching impossible. They also won't display any statistics to a user about the number of people who saw their profile - keeping their customer in perfect darkness.

In most fields of life, a customer would not be satisfied with this kind of shit. A company advertising their product would demand instant feedback about the number and profile of people who viewed their ad, where they came from, how long they browsed, etc.

Basically, we are all getting scammed by a few monopolists, who are actively ruining people's ability to find partners. I would support a politician who promises to let the best university in the country to build a non-profit dating site.

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[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 29 points 1 week ago
[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

and what, fight in the shade?

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

To make this more accurate for modern dating apps, you should keep all the men, but only have like 3 of the women. Dating apps aren't there to get you a match, they're there to convince you that you will get a match...eventually. The money is in creating a feeling that doesn't reflect reality.

[-] mydoomlessaccount@infosec.pub 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Damn, people just straight-up don't care about the content of an image if they see an opportunity to go on a tangent.

I wonder how ridiculous you have to make the text- paired with a pictograph of a problematic take like the original for this one- before people realize it's not actually repeating the original sentiment or even saying anything at all

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

my dude if this were to be true we would experience total population collapse

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I mean, good meme but no, wouldn't it need to be the inverse to cause this?

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Because men can only get one woman pregnant, as the Bible told me.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Don't blame Boromir for your dry dick, for shame

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

This is a depiction of why Kaladin can’t quite save all of Bridge 4 in The Way of Kings.

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[-] remolatxa@info.prou.be 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This graph is so wrong in so many ways...

  • People can feel attracted by more than one person at a time
  • Women can feel attracted by other women
  • Non binary people exist and, as a matter of fact, can also feel attracted by other people (wow!) This gets ironic, as today is #transDayOfVisibility
  • The reverse graph with hetero-normie men focusing on cisgender women with normative beauty, is a worse problem than yours, sorry. Men can be valued by skills, body, intellect, etc. but the norm teaches us that women can only be valued if they are "pretty" and "sexy" enough

Dating is hard because we live miserable lifes, are very individualized by capitalism, deposit lots of expectations and pities of ourselves into others, and don't treasure (intimate) friendship enough, intergender and intergenerational friendship included.

The "average guy" has poor emotional skills, is depressed, has no real friends and thinks that a girlfriend will be his salvation. The "average guy" needs therapy, friends, needs to learn to listen, to empathise and to show his own vulnerability instead of hiding and pretending to be a rock. That is, learn to take care of himself and to take care of others, and value this as an unavoidable adult skill. The "guy who attracts arrows" probably needs the same, but has a higher sexual capital because of birth lottery.

Focus on making some sense of your own life first and interesting people will start popping out, you will make some friends, and at some point you will mate someone.

Marriage and the nuclear family is a product of the Catholic church teaming up with capitalism. Western history and non-western world is full of extended families and communities. Consider not making it your life goal, it can be disappointing to achieve it.

Delete all the text and this diagram looks like:

One male medieval era soldier fighting for an oppressive patriarchy, in a battle where his fellow soldiers surrendered after realizing they are the baddies, surrounded by an army of women-only skilled archers fighting for egalitarianism.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is some incel level manosphere bullshit recruitment material.

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[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The only choice is to be totally out of the dating game so completely that you have no idea what any of this even mean.

Me going about my hermit ways living in the forest without interacting with anyone 😌

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[-] ileanallama@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
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[-] Octrom@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

This isn’t true at all. Everywhere you see average guys out there with girls. Yes, attractive people gain attention. But also, average people date.

[-] undefinedValue@programming.dev 12 points 1 week ago

It’s the reality of dating apps, not real world behavior.

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