now it's on the voters to make some democrats disappear.
They didn't used to be this way, for some reason under Biden they went super anti-immigration
What a load of shit. What time period are you referring to when you believed Democrats were pro-immigrant? Let’s factcheck that shit.
Even Obama deported way more people than Trump, built the immigrant cages, and vastly expanded ICE. Clinton was equally anti-immigrant.
Off the top of my head there is DACA and DAPA. Clinton ran on closing private immigration detention centers.
"No way to prevent this, say the Democrats who are actively collaborating with the fascists"
Between the House and the Senate, there are currently 258 Democrats in Congress.
And 224 of them are fascist collaborators.
Dems just making sure the 2 party system dies forever.
When I said I didn’t want a 2 party system, this isn’t what I meant!
Or maybe more accurately, the illusion of a two-party system.
The Democratic party is a party of cowards.
the democrats bravely tried to beat trump at the last election anyway they could
you've been campaigning against them the whole time and helped trump get elected
i guess that doesn't make you a coward, not sure what it does make you though
Yeah, bravely tried to beat Trump by ignoring their constituents, handwaving a genocide, kowtowing to corporate donors and trying to appeal to moderate Republicans who have been told non-stop for the past 40 years that Democrats are evil and out to destroy the country.
When your constituents want change and you campaign on keeping things the same, that's a colossal failure of party leadership, and it shouldn't be surprising that your voters will become disillusioned and stay home.
Since you don't know what it takes to win elections, keep it to yourself.
You have to decide between whatever brain-rot logic around electoralism has brought you to the place where you are and winning elections. You don't get to have both.
that's right between campaigning against the democrats and campaigning against trump you chose the democrats and helped trump win
it must have been such a hard choice between project 2025 and not-fascists
you must have been huffing so much putin propaganda you could barely see
Which would you rather have?
Would you like the Democrat to have won the election, or do you want to be "correct" in your approach to politics?
You don't get to have both.
And to be clear: You aren't actually arguing with me. Its the 6 million Democrats who showed up for Biden, but who failed to be convinced by this approach to rhetoric.
So it all comes back to you. I made my case ad-naseum, begging Democrats to change their rhetoric, their approach to electoralism, because it was incredibly clear that the manner in which Democrats were campaigning and approaching the election would lose. People with a mental disorder interpret that argument as an attack on the Democratic candidate.
It would be great if I was wrong; if it was fine for Harris to have run, effectively as a rightwing canddiate, and have won the election. But she didn't win the election. I wasn't wrong in my analysis, before, during, and after, that the manner in which Harris was campaigning (and Biden before her) was going to lose the election.
If you take that as me making an argument against Harris, or for Trump, you should seek help with your mind.
It all comes down to you and a choice you still have available to you: Are you willing to change your mind such that we can get Democrats to win elections, or, are you more heavily invested in a deluded approach to electoralism, where you get to claim a form of psychological correctness, but can't win elections?
at least you admit you were campaigning against the democrats the whole time
you wanted trump sooo badly
as a socialist did you miss those great authoritarian times you get with trump and hamas
if these are the things you think, you are broken.
You are doing the job a of defeating the Democrats before there is even an election.
The dnc is controlled opposition. We have to get actual progressives elected at local levels and it’ll be a fucking process but it’ll eventually make the party actual opposition
You'll have to throw Chuck Schumer into a retirement home (or a volcano) first.
It’s seeming like it, fucking ghouls run the dnc
We've been doing pretty good at that in Oregon in the Portland area especially, we got a fair few DSA people elected to the city council and to the state house in the last election. Although I doubt that will ever really convert the Dems into an actual progressive party, it's a lot more likely that the Democratic party dies with the rise of new progressive candidates and new progressive parties winning.
That’s awesome, it’s been like that in St. Louis too at the local level but can’t break past that. If a new party is what’s really needed though, then ideas need to get agreed and things need to become more centralized, I’m seeing like 50 different progressive parties lately and that fragmentation will get us no where
I mean at least from what I've seen of it so far DSA is a fairly good choice, as I think for a party to be really progressive and represent the working class people it needs to be run democratically with party members actually having a voice and vote on what the party does. Which so far most other parties tend to follow the normal party strategy with party leadership and candidates making choices about what policies they want which just seems like a path to another Democratic party down the line that is disconnected from the people.
I think if anything though fragmentation isn't really the problem with breaking past local wins. I think it's more that the higher up you get the more corporate money starts to have a large impact and the harder and more support you need to run a grass roots campaign. The higher up you get the harder it becomes to reach out directly to voters through door knocking and events and the more advertisements and mass media campaigns tend to have influence which is where corporate money thrives. I think the way around this outside of campaign finance reform is building up that local support so you can have those local candidates that have already done outreach directly with their local constituents provide support and endorsement towards electing people at higher levels.
And until we get people willing to talk about who is controlling the dnc and why (the zionist) then the dnc will remain trapped in other peoples pockets fwith no conceivable end in sight.
Sigh, I see I can't trust my senator to do the right thing anymore. Edit: meaning he didn't sign it. POS trader.
Start a new Party jfc
Lots of people are trying but it's not so easy to do. Our voting system is geared to only allow two parties and any actual third party that starts to gain traction gets shut down by the people with money and existing power. I don't think it's strictly impossible but I also don't think we can realistically pull it off. We need a solution outside the existing hierarchy imo
Starting a new party is going to require current elected Democrats to leave the party and start a new one. It probably can't be done by just "lots of people" and has to be done with people who have serious clout.
Oh no, not the letter!!
Just shows how cowardly the Democrats are now. Most of them were afraid to sign a piece of paper that means literally nothing.
My state included 9.
sad as fuck.