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My husband doesn’t belong to 50501 and he is skeptical of the news being censored, can anone help me show him otherwise.

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[-] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Look at the NYTs coverage of the genocide in gaza ("boohoo poor israel, self defense") and general media coverage Bernie Sanders (doesnt exist until he has no chance of winning something, pretending hes more outspoken now even though he's been saying the same thing for the last 60 years)

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

The IDF will bomb a hospital and kill 200 people

NYT article will say something like "200 Dead after bombs drop near a place, according to the Hamas-run health ministry."

They phrase everything so carefully.
Like the bombs were some sort of natural disaster and not an intentional military strike on civilians.

They always append "Hamas run health ministry", to imply the information can't be reliable, because it's from a US-designated terrorist organisation

The Israeli media will say "We killed 300 Palestinians"

[-] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Wasn't the bomb in this case from a Hamas fired rocket?

Wouldn't you want the news to not rush to conclusions?

[-] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They aren't talking about a particular instance because of how many times the IDF have bombed Palestinian hospitals

[-] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Is there another case with over +200 plus killed?

I'm all for hypotheticals, but the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion lead to millions of people having this exact conversation about media bias, so when you associate the death toll in this context, I am reminded of all those people who fell for blatant misinformation and critize good journalism.

The OC's comment reflects the context around the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion exactly. I would think it is naive to have not made the connection, but I also followed the war moderately close.

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

200 was an arbitrary number

It was not of any significance to the point I was trying to make

[-] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Got it, thanks for clarifying. I got the wrong impression.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago

It’s cute you think that event, which happened over a year ago now, is the only example of a hospital being blown up in Gaza.

The IDF literally bombed a cancer center last week. With patients in it. And took credit.

Like how the fuck is this even a question anymore

[-] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Why do you think I only know of singular hospital attacks? You made it up and judged me for it, because I corrected misinformation.

And isn't the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion the only alleged hospital attack with 200+ killed in a single strike? Any reasonable person would connect the above hypothetical with that important awful event.

Misinformation must be corrected. That shouldn't only apply to your enemies.

[-] Cupcake 55 points 1 month ago

Use a VPN. On the American side try to find any signs of bad past news on Trump. Now do it from another country on the VPN. See the difference before your very eyes. You can also do this on TikTok and probably get similar results.

[-] ManixT@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

You're going to have to be more specific. There is no network-level filtering of content at the network delivery layer in the US and US can access any international hosts if the host permits it.

Search engines do have regional awareness (that can basically always be changed as a setting) to deliver more local results. I suspect this on social media platforms is what you're referring to. It's not exactly censorship, but they definitely promote with an agenda.

Don't get me wrong, Trump and Republicans are fascists who deserve the worst fate and would gladly setup this kind of system, but it's not like there's a network component to censorship like you see in China and some other dictatorships (yet).

Source: I'm always traveling and on VPNs from all regions of the Earth

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

So far most of the American censorship happens at Layer 7 (or Layer 8 - the meat layer), not Layer 3.

[-] GuardYaGrill@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Use a VPN.

Do not recommend people to use random free VPN’s. You should pick your VPN provider carefully as all your traffic will flow through their servers.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 40 points 1 month ago

There was an article out there about how protests this year have been consistently twice as many as in 2017. Show him that and then ask him if he's seen it covered in the news.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 month ago

I think you might be tackling this the wrong way.

You can't really provide hard evidence that "the news is censored" to someone who doesn't want to believe that, because the term "censored" is subjective.

As in, reasonable evidence would be a peer reviewed study of media bias, of which there are many, but a "skeptic" can reject that evidence on the grounds that it doesn't meet their definition of censorship.

A more meaningful conversation would be to ask whether news sources have bias, and which are more biased than others and in which way.

The term "censorship" implies a big secret not being told, which isn't my impression of what's happening. Rather, there's a constant conservative spin on everything that happens.

Sadly, I suspect you might be about to discover that you can't change your partner's political alignment. I'm in my 40s, and in my age group you're either lucky enough to share political views with your partner, or you ignore the issues you disagree on, or you separate.

[-] Battle_Masker@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

ask him if he's heard about the latest CEO shooting, and point out how it ISN"T Brian Thompson's cathartic death

[-] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

I haven't even heard this one

[-] Battle_Masker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] tuck182@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

On the off chance that you're like me and would prefer to know, the phrase is typically "case in point".

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I should of looked at that before I wrote "should of".

[-] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Do you mean Chip Terhune, CEO of SAIF?

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Shit I live near this incident and heard nothing about it.

Seems kind of different though. This is a state run non-profit for workers comp?

[-] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Imma need a link for this please. Who?

[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago
[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

Appears also recently a lemmy instance appeared for it. 50501.chat or something like that.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

checks OP’s name

You don’t say?

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

lol I am dumb

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

E.S. Herman and Noam Chomsky's book Manufacturing Consent is a great place to start. You can skip most of the book honestly, (it's out of date), but the "5 Filters" part is like a decoder ring for American Legacy Media.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It's free to read online

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 20 points 1 month ago

Step 1: Make a new account on Reddit or Twitter...

[-] timuchan@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago

Maybe teach him about passive voice, and then show examples of it in news media?

[-] pelicans_plight@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Not sure if something like this will do, but it is really concerning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Great suggestion.

[-] DrainKikoLake@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Maybe look for coverage of a topic or event from a few major US media sites/papers, and then at the same event from somewhere outside the US.

https://www.cbc.ca/news

https://www.bbc.com/news

Etc.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago

I wonder if he’s open minded enough to accept information he wasn’t expecting, or one of those people for whom no proof will ever be good enough.

[-] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One of the easiest ways might be to have him take a look at an app like GroundNews, which displays biases of publications and shows blindspots in the media according to political lean. The biases and differences in headlines, presentation, language used, and what stories get reported at all by any given publication become very apparent.

Edit: Maybe reading Chomsky would be better. Ground News has problems.

[-] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Words to watch out for are things like "attacked", "bashed" or "slammed" instead of "criticised"; "forced" instead of "chose", eg "company forced to cut jobs"; "muzzled" or "gagged" instead of perhaps "censored". The implied violence charges the story emotionally, it's the most common form of news manipulation. They're trying to make you feel - usually fear or anger - rather than think.

[-] FartGremlin@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

I’m so sick of seeing “slammed” in news.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Damn, OP BLASTED the news outlets!

My only complaint about Ground News (and most media bias meters in general) is that factual papers will almost always be listed as left-leaning. Because the Overton window has shifted so far to the right that cold hard facts presented exactly as they happened with zero spin now has a left-wing bias.

[-] Iceman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, but he has to read a book. Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

What exactly do you mean by "news is censored"? Are you saying that certain stories aren't getting the kinds of traction you think they should be getting? Or, are you saying that major events are not being covered at all because the government is threatening news organizations that cover them?

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

If he's into documentaries, see if he might like the Adam Curtis documentary HyperNormalisation.

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