I feel that the original quote “better a pig than a fascist” is more relevant and important these days than this take
Someone at studio Ghibli recently said something about gen ai, apparently. But yeah agreed.
Edit: I've come out from under my rock and news has reached my as to why this quote is relevant again. The original quote seems more fitting over the ai one now.
The original artist of this is AdiFitri
Did he paid studio ghibli for making a draw of their characters? Did he asked the authors of the character for permission for using its image?
Is not that how it's supposed to work for anti-AI folks? Or is it "rules for thee but not for me"?
What the fuck are you talking about?
He’s badly arguing that since the artist saw, has knowledge of, and has recreated the art style using his brain, he’s no better then someone who uses AI to do the ‘same thing’
He can’t tell why it’s different and that’s to be expected of an ai prompter. It would take effort.
It's the same rule, "fair use". Copyright isn't absolute, it needs to strike a balance between "give creators control of their thing" but also "people deserve to participate in our collective culture."
Making a one-off drawing of a character and not trying to make money off of it likely checks the fair use boxes (it's an explicitly fuzzy system, so a trial would be needed to say for sure if it's fair use or not). Whether the training set for a generative AI system is fair use or not is still an open question, but many feel that it can't be, as it's operating on a massive scale (basically every image ever created by humanity) and has the potential to eliminate the entire industry of humans selling the art they create, which copyright is supposed to protect. Ghibli isn't going to be harmed by someone drawing a picture of their characters for a meme. It could be harmed by another company making money off of mass production of knockoffs of their style which were created with thousands of unauthorized copies of their direct artwork.
I have no respect of a AI user who use AI and call them Artist.
Hey, guess what! Your argument is so inane, even OpenAI is now convinced it was a really stupid idea too. But sure, go on pretending that freely available fan art by a single person is exactly the same as a paid service by a multi-billion dollar company.
I still stand by Generative AI being a useful tool. It's just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
Related, the post-WWII programs in England that fueled the Rock-&-Roll boom in the 1960s (with the invention and development of the electric guitar). Socialized art is a system that works well!
And yes, we'll probably have to collapse the current civilization and rebuild it with mutant animals before we get there. < sad, disappointed existential dread face >
It's just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
The second situation is a fantasy until after we have a communist revolution. So, don't defend gen AI until after we create communism.
Great post, drew out a couple of the most annoying kind of person on the internet so I could block them.
Gen. A.I. user and absolutely unashamed for it O7
Exactly. That's the problem. You should be.
No.
Bullying people who does no harm to anyone is cool now?
Many people use gen AI for completely innocuous tasks. And for many things that harm nobody. Still you take pleasure insulting and degrading Innocent people.
That's not better than any other bully/oppresor.
Don't act surprised when people stop helping and having solidarity with your fights when you have spent a decade insulting everyone around you.
There's nothing wrong with making fun of someone for making a bad life choice.
Bullying people for things that they can't change about themselves is different. That's not cool
This level of insult is bullying.
And it's not a bad life choice. Bad life choice is choosing to go online to insult a lot of innocent people in other to feed that bad human in your heart.
These latest years """"left leaning""" spaces have been feeling more like right wing echo chambers of hate and bigotry towards more and more and more people.
Mark my words, this will have consequences, and some people may ask in a couple of years how is it that no one came for help when they need it. And they shall remember that the blatantly insulted those they will be asking for help and that people just got sick of them.
At least it's what's happening to me. There are many places I won't show up for helping, that I would have helped in the past. But I cannot stand next to people who have show me that they have the heart as full of hate as the alt-right. We will most likely end up forming our own spaces I suppose.
This is the most ridiculously performative speech i've seen in a while, and i live on friggin tumblr
Mark my words, this will have consequences, and some people may ask in a couple of years how is it that no one came for help when they need it. And they shall remember that the blatantly insulted those they will be asking for help and that people just got sick of them.
These comments just make me sad, because I have a feeling you are not talking specifically about artists mad at AI art when you say 'some people'. You are letting the voices of a few people convince you to abadon the silence of a majority. And in this current political world, that could result in a lot of people who see eye to eye with you being punished.
You know, if you're not good at art, you don't have to be an artist. Not everyone needs to paint the mona lisa. You can just do something you're good at instead.
If you are not good at painting portraits or landscapes you cannot use a camera, that's cheating. You need to leave that task to oil painters. Because pushing a button and getting an image is not art.
Only oil painters are real artists. If you are not an oil painter don't even dare to try to express yourself.
People with cameras choose what they take photos of.
People using AI also choose what they want to create.
And generative artists for instance, a lesser clue of what the final result will be than a AI artist.
Generative art is not art?
Collages are art?
Art gatekeepers are always funny, full of inconsistencies.
Microwaving a premade meal doesn't make me a chef. Generative AI is able to make fake copies and imitations of art, but it isn't an artist. The prompters are just that, they're reheating someone else's creation and calling themselves chefs.
So collages are not art? Taking a picture of something not made by you is not art? Fan art is not art? Cover songs are not art?
In all those cases you are reheating someone's else creation.
Let's be precise here.
In order to be an artist do you need to have been the sole creator of the object depicted? What level of modification is needed to make you an artist? please be precise.
Using a camera doesn't make you an artist either. Photography as art takes a lot of effort, just snapping a shot isn't it. You aren't very good at this.
Says you. I just don't agree with your gatekeeping, and closed mind.
I just think that a lot of people how made their identify in "I'm an artist" are having a laughable crisis of identity in a world where producing art takes less effort each day
I'm not particularly worried about losing the "likes generative AI" demographic, especially if they're not going to support more important movements because their poor choices are being mocked.
Glad you are ok with it. Because that's what will happen. And you may not notice in the echo chamber but an big chunk of the population just uses generative AI for a lot of different purposes. And does not share your views about it. People is diverse, and that includes diverse opinions on copyright/copyleft morality.
And you will eventually lose everyone who is not exactly like you, because "you don't care". And then you'll be alone.
And when they come for you, and you are alone you will post this comic strip of "first they came for..." And blame on others that you are alone and no one show up to stop them from taking you.
Can anyone explain the context? Nad something happened recently?
Chatgpt got really good at generating images and a lot of more people are testing it and some people are salty about it.
No, some asshole generated a fake cease and desist letter from Ghibli to try to start some drama.
Even tried to act like some kind of genAI martyr ready to sacrifice himself for the good of AI...
First time I hear about that, meanwhile even my wife that is normiecore saw guides on how to use chatgpt to generate images on Instagram and asked me to install chatgpt in her phone.
What the fuck is normiecore?
And your wife isn't creating anything using ChatGPT. It's hallucinating with no actual intelligence or creativity that's trained off actual creative works. If your wife wants to create art, then she needs to pick a medium and get practicing.
It's like hardcore except not that, and also vaguely insulting towards their wife (or at least I've never seen anyone write the word "normie" without it being patronizing).
The precipitating factor seems to Ghibli where some dude who draws for a living said ai drawing lacked soul, more or less. Then a bunch of people who very likely pirated the first guy's movies leapt to his defense saying yeah only humans can make art because we are unique in our ability to duplicate information from our environment but with imagined changes. If an ai takes data from it's environment, duplicates it and adapts it to it's current need that's stealing good solid union work.
Or something.
Soon it's going to be an economic thing because if you can get "good enough" at 1/1000 the price after an up front fee...all those folks who do generic voice work (soldier #3) or art work in games are gonna be out of a job. Sadly it's not enough of an industry to impact the broader economy so they will just be completely boned until automation finds a way to get rid of a much more significant fraction of the labor force. If we can get to great depression levels that might be enough.
I feel like all the people out there are mindless NPCs that just do anything a big corp say it's cool. make me feel helpless
As someone who uses generative AI, I don't use it out of some mindless obedience to corporations, but rather because it can massively reduce the work needed to perform certain tasks.
I think the fight against AI is a losing battle. Better to push for regulations in energy usage. (And no, I don't give a fuck about artists' intellectual property. I think intellectual property rights are holding humanity back in order to enrich a few artists who falsely and arrogantly believe themselves to be original thinkers, and who furthermore believe that being an original thinker gives them the right to prevent other people from spreading their ideas or thinking of the same thing.)
Artists who oppose AI shouldn’t be allowed to use calculators.
They don’t get to shit on anyone bad at art, while they can’t do basic math without technological help.
Calculators don't need heaps of power to run. Calculators are not trained on the copyrighted works of artists. And that's only the start of the issues with your argument.
What a shit take.
Bruh just because you don't like one technology doesn't mean you don't have to stop using another. Like not all programmers have to like OOP languages and they are still allowed to use whatever they like
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