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Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%+ (onemileatatime.com)

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[-] imvii@lemmy.ca 191 points 4 months ago

The girlfriend and I (both Canadian in Canada) were just planning a summer trip to Niagara Falls like 30 minutes ago. Neither of us have been. We were looking at flights and didn't realize we were looking at flights to Niagara Falls airport in the US. We were both like "Whoa. Nope!"

If this had been last year, we would have flown into either airport and visited both sides of the border. But there is not a chance in hell I'm crossing to the US side during this trip. I'm absolutely not taking a chance of wrecking my vacation, or weeks of my life, getting nabbed by some Nazi Ice Bro and shipped to a detention camp in Arizona.

[-] Velonie@lemmy.ca 92 points 4 months ago

Lucky for you the Canadian side of the falls has a MUCH better view

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The US side is bleak industrial wasteland.

*to be fair, the Canadian side that isn't Clifton Hill is a bleak residential wasteland.

[-] Fredthefishlord 8 points 4 months ago

Canadian side has so many tourist traps

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

The town of Niagara Falls is a bit of a shithole.

[-] IBoris@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We unfortunately live in a country where, to travel back home to Canada, we need to stop in a US city along the way. Normally we'd make a trip out of it, but we're trying to minimize our time in the US. First because it's terrifying and second we don't want to contribute to the US economy. Especially since the transit cities we need to pass-through are deeply red.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

If you stay in the international terminal, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Statistically, how many thousands of people enter the US every day, versus how many of these incidents have happened? Odds are you'll be totally fine. The risk is higher, yes.

[-] tychosmoose@lemm.ee 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In the US, if you land, you must pass through immigration.

~~At least I'm not aware of any airports where there is an international terminal like you find elsewhere in the world. Ours require entry to the country even if you are connecting to another international flight.~~

Edit: yep, none have this.

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 17 points 4 months ago

Wait, really?

So you need a visa to transit through the US?

[-] tychosmoose@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago

Yes indeed. Everyone arriving goes through immigration, collects bags, clears customs; and only then may proceed to the exit, or recheck bags and go back through security to catch a connecting flight.

The only exception is if you originated at a pre-clearance airport and did the immigration stuff before departure. But that means you still need a visa. And it's only at a handful of airports in Canada, Ireland, UAE and the Caribbean.

[-] AizawaC47@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

No please don’t come, and tell everyone, your friends or family who has plans to come to America to not come at least for 4 years.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

I'm afraid it's going to be a lot longer than 4 years.

[-] AizawaC47@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Dang… and you know what, you are probably a thousand percent correct.

[-] imvii@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

I don't know anyone in Canada still planning trips to the USA. My cousin spends 2-3 months out of the year in California. She's been doing it for 10 years now. She had cancelled all those plans going forward.

There is even more of a risk for Canadians to go to the US. It's always been dangerous in the US with the insane amount of guns in the average idiots hands, but now we've got Ice Bros itching to hurt people as well. Fuck that noise.

The US really doesn't offer us anything we can't get from another safer country.

[-] tacobellhop@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago

Great Plains American here, we love you guys. I don’t blame you a bit. Just know that we know the call is coming from inside the house.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 161 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:

Australia
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
United Kingdom

[+] ZeroCool@lemmy.ca 54 points 4 months ago

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[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 62 points 4 months ago

If you think about it, these are government announcements, it's just over two months since the excrement started hitting the rotating equipment.

In that time a country needs to take note of the change in circumstances to its citizens, verify that it's happening systemically and not occasionally, formulate a response, approve the response, and then publish it.

Much of the border issues didn't appear to be visible until a month or so ago.

In other words, I think that this is lightening fast as diplomatic responses go.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

…it's just over two months since the excrement started hitting the rotating equipment.

[-] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I know in the case of the UK it only happened after a UK citizen was detained, I think Germany might be the same as well

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Many of the rest already knew.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 2 points 3 months ago

I've updated it a couple of times, it's getting longer.

[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 4 months ago

realistically it's also dangerous to travel to the US if you're in the US

[-] Laser@feddit.org 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Germany

I don't know for other countries, but Germany has not issued any travel warnings. The page with information to the US is the following: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/service/laender/usa-node/usavereinigtestaatensicherheit-201382. It contains only information, but no advisory against traveling which a warning usually contains stuff that one might call warnings, but they formally aren't. Compare it with https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250: The title of the page contains "(Reisewarnung)" which translates to "warning against travel". The page contains the wording "Vor Reisen nach X wird gewarnt". Only those constitute a warning. No such warning can be found on the page about the US.

Personally, I can only advise against traveling there, but the page for the US has existed basically always. New information was added this month, but the official status / stance on US travel hasn't changed: the US is on the same level as France and Spain.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 12 points 4 months ago

It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error. There are multiple reports stating that Germany issued a travel warning. The most recent I could find is from three days ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/foreign-travel-warnings-about-us-travel.html

There are updates that are older than this that state that Germany changed its report and clarified that they weren't issuing a travel warning specifically, just heightened caution. That seems like "some form of warning" to me.

Australia has similar wording. While it describes the situation as "Green", it talks about heightened levels of alert and crime.

This is precisely why I worded my post: "It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:" (emphasis added).

I think that the wording that Germany is using falls under this heading.

[-] Laser@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error

It hasn't been updated, but Lemmy thinks the colon is part of the URL. https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250 it's not about the US but South Sudan, to show what an official travel warning looks like. The US page is just advisory.

[-] example@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago

the second link is just incorrectly linked in the comment, as the colon is included in it. it should be https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250

[-] TotallyNotADolphin@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Norway has also issued a travel warning for trans people going to the US

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Source?

Edit: found it https://www.newsweek.com/norway-issues-travel-warning-us-2051890

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Source?

Canada does not seem to have any advisory. https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories

[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 43 points 4 months ago

Why would I travel to hostile enemy country?

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 4 months ago

I'm genuinely struggling to see where this is really a bad thing. Then again, I'm also struggling to see where it isn't exactly what was promised during the election. Tighter border controls and firm enforcement of immigration laws and border policies means that less people come in by all means. This outcome is exactly what people voted for.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago

The bad thing for the US is that its a lot of revenue to lose. This type of thing has knockon effects. America has a very large tourist hospitality sector.

Yes, it was promised but the people thinking it a good thing, who voted for it and are implementing it do not understand how the economy works.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 months ago

On one hand, it is a lot of revenue lost. On the other, it's also a lot of resources freed up for Americans that would otherwise have been used by foreign tourists. As long as the supply remains the same and the demand drops, prices should get reduced as well. That's what people understand.

What they don't understand is that companies expect this to be temporary, and they'd rather have losses they can write off, rather than smaller profits that their investors will be upset about.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

The international demand lost is well beyond what can be replaced with domestic demand. Tariffs are also going to keep prices high so even with a demand reduction that won't matter to a lot of the supply cost.
The taxes are one thing but less profit and less demand=jobs being cut which has downstream effects. Any smart company doesn't expect this to be short. Being advised against travel is not something that gets turned around easily.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

What resources are Canadian tourists using that would otherwise go to Americans? I don’t feel deprived of flights to Ottawa…

[-] LemmyAtEm2@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Great news! Thanks for sharing

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Have we seen the Canadian airline companies jack up national flight prices like how the big grocers are jacking up Canadian product prices or nah?

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