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More than ever, people need to start using alternatives. I recommend Odysee. It has a couple issues that they're apparently working on but it's easily the best overall alternative.
I've been thinking about using Nebula. Does anyone has any experience with it?
Its got some great creators, Ive been on there a couple of years. Only downside which some might be glad to be rid of is a lack of comments, and feedback. Without any interaction you're just watching videos; doesn't feel like a community or conversation.
Seems a shame because there are creators who appear to value the voice of the community on a platform where their audience has no voice.
There's a thread from five years ago where a founder Dave Wiskus said they had plans for a thread-like comments section. So it's weird; must not align with whatever else it is they're doing.
I'd say the same thing about dropout TV. How can we get in the comments without a comments section!?
I think they don't want to own moderation of it. Which I get, but ultimately feel the same way you do. I'm happy I'm on there, few years as well, but do wish they had a comment section.
Dropout really needs some way to interact, even if it's just a shared fanmail address. I don't think my view counts make it clear how much I appreciate some of their content and talent.
I tried to contact Grant O'Brien through Twitter (made an account specifically for that), but it didn't look like he was very active at all, probably got more interesting stuff going on. But no artist is too busy to read fanmail, right?
For the comments, I use grayjay with nebula's plug-in so there's the polycentric comments, but there's very little of them.
No comments? You might have just sold me on it.
Wonderful service. Nice, educative sometimes, and entertaining videos. Mixes well with grayjay/my other subscriptions on youtube/odysee.
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Its a shame that content creators don't truly own the content on YouTube and can simply opt out of DRM on their videos.
Also weird timing considering boycotting is a common topic right now.
This is fine. I actually encourage this. Let the market decide whether it likes this.
The issue is that hosting costs for videos are insane. There's nowhere else to turn except for Youtube (unfortunately PeerTube is so far off being a reasonable alternative). I would love to see some more competition, but I don't see it happening in the close future. The sad state of things is that 90% of the population won't care if their favorite MrBeast video has DRM.
The sad state of things is that 90% of the population won't care if their favorite MrBeast video has DRM.
Agreed!!
(unfortunately PeerTube is so far off being a reasonable alternative)
Why? Because of the hosting cost? Where is Youtube getting this for cheap?
I mean, I could see PeerTube being an alternative if there was better discoverability, better tools for creators to monetize their work, and there was a huge influx of people moving over to PeerTube as well as starting their own instances in order to spread out the hosting and make it less expensive for everyone involved. YouTube isn't getting it for cheap, they're just financed by one of the world's largest companies and have huge amounts of revenue.
Yeah, If content creators (at least 1 in 10) ran their own instance, I think PeerTube could be a pretty good alternative and the cost would be split between instances.
Because of the hosting cost? Where is Youtube getting this for cheap?
More than 500 hours of video content are uploaded to YouTube every minute (reference). The cost of operating this system is astronomical. Building a competing platform is entirely out of reach unless you have nation-state levels of wealth.
YouTube's costs are effectively subsidized by Alphabet (Google). All of the restrictions being implemented are about trying to make YouTube profitable, especially by protecting the ad revenue stream.
That's why they been forcing more and more aggressive ads, and In order to drive up revenue more ad reach, they allow significant amount of right wing content to become more prevelant.
Youtube is already profitable. Has been for like 5 years
Source? Because they list YT earnings, but afaik, have never said "this was a profit of ### dollars"
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That's why I encourage YouTube taking ever more extreme steps to extract their user's worth. If they just take it far enough, there is a chance actual competition might show up.
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They have been attacking adblocks for the last 10 years, unless they do what twitch does, they aren't stopping it.
The more unusable/unbearable they make YouTube, the sooner users will start looking into alternatives.
I quit twitch exclusively because of the ads
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This kills the YouTube. Maybe not quickly, but it will be a large nail in the coffin should they double down on it.
I pay for Premium and if they actually do this I'll stop my subscription. Web DRM is stupid and I hate that other Streaming Services already have it. Apart from being another resource sink in browsers, it'll stop third party clients which I use and it also turns off Nvidia Shadowplay which is annoying as it doesn't automatically turn back on once the DRM content is no longer loaded.
Google is also experimenting with my not using YouTube any more.
I use youtube for mediocre garbage content to fill airspace. I don't need it. I would be better off without it. Don't push me google, because I'll fucking jump.
I already jumped off of a number of their other services, what's one more?
The number one reason I use YouTube is for fitness routines I can do at home (going to a physical gym means I will not workout), and keeping up on finance news. I will gladly find other ways to get this information. I just use YouTube because it’s the easiest and has all of the people I like in one place.
I'll pay for deezer or apple music if I have to, lol
Y'all could just pay 🤷♂️
I used to when the price was fair for family plan, but now I'm on the high seas. It's a price issue, they are making billions , no need to fleece us.
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I know you’re getting downvoted here but there is a valid question there. It’s the largest streaming site on the internet which takes up massive amounts of storage and bandwidth. How do people propose it’s paid for? You generally either have to have ads (which it seems everyone hates) or you pay for a subscription (which everyone hates). So what is the best model to offset that cost? It’s not a public service.
The problem isn't ads or subscription fees, the problem is ads and subscription fees in addition to the data scraping. Google, and by extension Youtube, harvest your data from all over the internet and use it to sell ads. The data and CAPTCHAs you see all over from Google are trackers (that's how clicking a box can determine you're human) that ars harvesting data and fingerprinting your device to make you easier to identify.
In 2025, do you really want a demonstrably evil company that supports the American kleptocracy to have access to your data?
In comes freetube and invidious: responses to the above problem. By acting proxy to youtube you avoid the ads (which contain spyware) and you avoid downloading site data from Google (which likely contains spyware).
It isn't a payment issue, and the pirates aren't upset about costs, it's just that in the age of glass walls online, we want our fucking privacy back.
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You're acting like A) it's not part of a company pulling down billion dollar profits and B) any loss isn't being used to depress tax paid by other arms of said company
We already do, and this is what we get.
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