I won't be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

It's not the "immigration agenda", it's the "illegal captivity and deportations".

Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It's a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).

50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.

A 9% reduction seems low. I'm curious to know emigration numbers (I'm getting out of here myself)

What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?

Look, I've been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I'm really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.

I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can't gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a "Welcome" from the border security on my way in.

It just wouldn't be a rational choice.

edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you're not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they're just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.

Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid...oh wait...

Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.

Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.

I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I'm going to Canada and I'm really excited!

Only 9% decrease? That sounds pretty optimistic.

I’d guess it will be more like 50%. Guess we’ll see.