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Quite a tone shift
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Don’t disparage those girls by comparing them to Discovery.
Star Trek Discovery is a perfect example of how to build wonderful support characters and ideas, but have terrible main characters and story execution.
Literally all of the supporting characters, like Saru, Tilly, Staments, Culber, Reno, Adira........they're fantastic characters.
Burnham, and by virtue nearly every character she frequently interacts with, are tainted. She's a Mary Su, fixer of all things, get out of writer's block free card. Even when they "kick her down", she still comes back as the solution when the writers run out of ideas. Even when she jumped into the future, the writers just couldn't fucking help themselves with the prions and making her immediately say "I'm smart and the best. You should do this" to an admiral with an entire swath of doctors and advisors available. Somehow she's jumped hundreds of years into the future and is supposed to be out of her depth, but is the expert? Fuck off.
Saru and Tilly somehow comes out mostly untainted, but Georgio, Booker, etc. all get overshadowed by her shit character design by virtue of being joined at the hip with her story.
Also, the stories always build up to some "grand reveal" that is utterly stupid. Dilithium exploded because feelings. DMA "oops our bad" aliens. Shitty Klingons. An AI that never heard of backups.
The most interesting arcs are the Emerald Chain, Ariam's sacrifice, and Zora. Like....Ariam's sacrificial story was AMAZING. Why tf didn't they do stories like that the rest of the time???
If they had spent less time making Burnham the solution to everything while promoting her shit self to Captain and written things that built to a satisfying conclusion, it could have been a good show.
Unfortunately, it wasn't a good show.
I think the mirror universe arc was the best. The idea of going into the far future was good, if poorly executed. I also worry they've written themselves into a corner now. It's going to restrict any media set post TNG but pre Discovery.
Don't worry. I'm sure Michael Burnham will come back somehow and help the writers get out of their block.
The mirror universe arc was, IMHO, when Georgio was at her most interesting and I also liked it.
Not really. That's a 700 year gap. A LOT can happen in 700 years; Star Trek itself was only set 300 years in the future when it was released.
It's no more limiting to TNG era stories than the TNG era itself was to TOS era stories. They can't blow up the Earth or genocide any major races, but beyond that we've been given very little information about any character's future. I didn't find Star Trek VI any less exciting because I knew the Klingon empire would still be around 80 years later, and I'd say SNW is flourishing under far tighter restrictions.
I see it as freeing: they can have any major event shift the timeline and move Discovery into being merely one possible future instead. No need to constrain themselves to some of the show's more questionable moves.
I think the mirror universe arc was the best.
As someone who enjoyed S1 the most, I completely agree. The closest trek yet came to “prestige” and then it slipped away :(
LOL and we are better for it
Ehhh I appreciate what they're going for but I hate how they constantly have these long drawn out speeches about their feelings in the middle of battles.
Tap for spoiler
Remember when feelings caused all the dilithium to Explode?
I was SO invested in that mystery. Only to be utterly let down.
Basically how to summarize all of Discovery.
Someone said elsewhere that that whole plot is EXTREMELY in the vibe of TOS and it made me appreciate it a lot more.
I hate scenes like that with any and all media. There's really no room for emotions or even thinking in those moments because if you do, you die.
I love it, Discovery was awesome
Totally I loved seasons 4 and 5 the most
Yay! I get to repost my comment about Disco Season 5 that got me banned from Ten Forward:
Regarding how the writers failed with their Spore Drive conclusion in Season 5:
The idea of the lone inventor wasn't even true a hundred years ago. When I took a history of technology class at University over 30 years ago, that fact was driven into us. All discoveries are the result of researchers standing on the shoulders of giants. Destroying all Spore drive research is meaningless because there are hundreds of billions of people spread across thousands of planets. The Federation isn't even the entire Alpha quadrant so there are hundreds of billions of other people with no restrictions. So someone else is going to almost immediately re discover spore drive because the technology and knowledge base for its discovery are built into society.
I hope the above opinion doesn't get me banned here too.
And I want more!
I hope we get to see a few familiar faces on the Star Trek Academy show. I need more Tilly in my life. Reno as well.
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