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[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 96 points 3 weeks ago

With no DOE employees to process defaults?

Nobody should be paying a red cent.

If your choice is draining your entire bank account to the point you can't afford to live or suffering a credit score penalty, then the credit score should be sacrificed.

"but they can..."

Stop. Nothing they can do is worse than starving. Don't pay them. Use your money for your own needs.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I wish more people understood no one can stop you if there is no one to stop you.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

I wish Trump didn't understand that.

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Try getting an apartment or renewing a lease with a truly shit credit score.

Oops, you don't qualify anymore, anywhere, your options are now homelessness, much more expensive hopping between motels every 3 weeks, or live in your car, hope you're still making those payments.

Fairly difficult to cost-effectively cook and store food when you're in any of those situations.

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[-] dick_fineman@discuss.online 49 points 3 weeks ago

Just don't pay. Debt-strikes are far more damaging than a work-stoppage.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago

It’s most likely that people won’t have a choice. Many people, anyway, from what I understand of USian wages and cost of living.

[-] dick_fineman@discuss.online 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not talking about rent, I'm talking about the massive credit card and loan debt that has propped up millions of folks trying to live a lifestyle they can't really afford. In the US, it's incredibly common for folks to just take on debt for stupid shit, like a jacked up truck they only ever use to drive to the grocery store.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Groceries.

The debt is for groceries.

Super wealthy people portray it like you just did, but what you said isn't accurate.

People are putting basic necessities on credit cards now.

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[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

the most debt held by americans is from medical expenses

[-] sibachian@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

this is the 6th time in the past 2 days i see this argument. blaming the people for using the system that has been forced on us over the past 20 years to bolster GDP.

i smell an attempted narrative change.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago

This works great up until the point where a collection agency comes for your property and/or credit rating. I'm not saying don't strike, but do it with full knowledge there may be repercussions.

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Could you explain to non-Americans what is the appeal of student loans if they can do this? Why shouldn't people go to cheaper schools to get their degrees instead? I mean no disrespect, if you are rich go to Yale or whatever, by all means.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 64 points 3 weeks ago

There are no cheaper schools. There are expensive ones and more expensive ones. There is literally no option for the non-rich except to go into debt or learn to be a plumber.

[-] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

learning a trade should be more encouraged, you can make a shit ton of money (relatively) without the debt

[-] suite403@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

True, but that isn't an option for everyone and we still need scientists and doctors and such.

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[-] Leeks@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago

Children are told that they MUST go to college to get a stable and high paying job. This is so prevalent that college degrees are just seen as “the next step after high school” and nobody questions it. These colleges have figured out they can charge almost anything because they are seen as the gate keepers to high paying and stable jobs. So banking on future earnings, bearly emancipated teenagers, with the absolute minimum of a financial education, make life decisions that will put them in debt for the next 20-30 years.

The problem with the whole system is there doesn’t appear to be enough high paying and stable jobs.

As far as going to a cheaper college, I think you identified the issue in your very own comment. Schools have different prestige levels. Yale, for example, is a high prestige school and not only are you paying for an education, you are also paying to connect to rich people. These connections can be worth a lot of money if they are used correctly. So going to a cheaper college also means less valuable connections.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Even beyond connections, just the sticker on a resumé that says "" means you're less likely to get shunted into the shitter with 95% of other applicants, if you don't already have an "in" that cuts past the resumé stage.

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[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I went to a really cheap school. My master’s was 40k.

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[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

There are no such thing as cheaper schools. They got rid of that because they were angry college students protested the Vietnam War. So now getting an education means doing business with the worst loan shark you've ever heard of, legally protected from bankruptcy. The thing you have to understand about America is that everything is a scam. Like healthcare or housing or a child care and a bunch of other things I'm not even thinking about

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

Same as in the UK I imagine. No university is affordable. Unless you are rich, you can't go without a loan.

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[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Three things going on:

  1. Schools are expensive because the amount of public funding to universities has been slowly shrinking over the past 60 years. College in the US back in th 1960s was very cheap.
  2. Student loan amounts due did not change, but income based repayment options did which means people's minimum payments went up
  3. Students in the US were told college is the only career path for the past 40-50 years. This obviously isn't true and is why we have trades shortages. In many cases, that's also all the advice people received. There was no coaching for what kind of degree to pursue or what field to angle for, so a number of people got expensive degrees that didn't have good career prospects. To be completely honest, I lucked into choosing engineering because of my interests and the interests of my friends
[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh, see - due to the lack of investment in education, the normalization of ever-increasing tuition rates, and the social/economic stratification of U.S. society there isn’t really a thing such as a ‘cheaper’ school.

My local commuter college wanted $25k a year for their masters program over a decade ago - and that’s after obtaining a 4 year degree. (Which I obtained through a combination of community college and undergrad classes at the same university, but not without incurring about $20k worth of debt for the previous 4 years.)

Add to that, the U.S. doesn’t have the economy or social supports. You either earn a living wage, find something workable through familial support, or go hungry. The U.S., mandates that companies pay less than half of what is needed to support one’s self.

This isn’t like, poor planning, or governmental stupidity. This is actually on purpose by conservatives in the U.S. government. (Sorry, that site is kinda weird, but it has the quote I was looking for.)
Nevermind that an educated populous is a matter of national defense/national security and having the brainpower to propel the country forward is one of the ways that the U.S. dominated on the world stage in the latter half of the last century. (In addition to timely and fortuitous control of a lot of resources, and a shitload of foreign meddling - lets be real here.) But whatevz, who needs that when the voters disagree with you? The people who set this in motion will be dead by the time the people that are going to be utterly fucked by that figure it out. (perhaps slowed in that realization by their faulty education. Hah.).

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[-] El_Azulito@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

$5000? …A month? A sudden rate increase 10 times the agreed amount? This smells like rage bait. We are not in post-World War I, Germany, yet.

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago

You are post world war germany. Namely 1933. Wake up.

[-] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

I mean... There's a full article explaining the cause for the increases, it's not like there's no reasoning provided.

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[-] LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago

My partner was eligible for ~$750 per month repayments under a Biden era plan that Trump scrapped. They now have to pay ~$4300 per month. The headline isn't far off.

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[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

SLABs will tank, someone's collateral gonna get busted

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[-] omnichronos@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago

I'm so glad that I got a surprise letter in January of 2024 stating that the Biden SAVE program had forgiven my entire $320,000 worth of student loans. I had originally borrowed $150k.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 weeks ago

I am reminded again of how we need to organized. A few people here or there defaulting on loans or refusing to pay won't make a difference. A lot of people not paying, but not talking to each other, is kind of a wild card. But if you and fifty thousand of your closest friends went to DC together to tell your reps this is unacceptable, and if they want to sleep at night it will change, maybe we'd see change.

But organizing is really hard and I don't know how to go about it effectively.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago

Crashing the economy is the point, isn't it. Every crash the richest few scoop up the assets and the peasants (most of Americans) settle for working for whatever scraps they can manage.

[-] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Don't pay. Debt strike.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Crashing the stock market may be the plan here. Follow me on this ...

Crashing the market and removing 20 to 30 percent of value.

Then at the low point invest heavily into the DOW.

Now support the market and get it back to previous levels.

Fucking rich fucks just made 30% in 1 to 2 years on that investment.

[-] vfsh 13 points 2 weeks ago

Hey now you're forgetting that they're also going short on everything and making money on the fucking way down too!

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Can't recall an education

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