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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 65 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Who would have thought it was the yanks drinking the fascist koolaid this time around.

[-] Tujio@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

Nobody should be surprised. The Nazi's ideas of eugenics were born in America. In 1939 the second-largest Nazi party was in America. A lot of Americans at the time thought we should be fighting for the other side.

[-] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago

I think this is one of those “disappointed but not surprised” situations for many of us.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

I’m an American, but given the last decade, that’s precisely how I feel. Infuriating to watch my country sleepwalk into fascism.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There was a Nazi rally at Madison Square Gardens. The US is very nationalistic (How many countries force their children to pledge alliance to the flag daily?) and that can easily become a problem.

[-] Fredthefishlord 2 points 4 months ago

The US is very nationalistic (How many countries force their children to pledge alliance to the flag daily

The usa doesn't force the children... You do understand that right? There's actually been a very high profile case over it

[-] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Legally, schools and teachers can't force a student to perform the pledge of allegiance. But it's also taught so early in school that most students don't even question it as something to do.

Anectdotally: I was regularly performing the pledge of allegiance (literally said every morning of school) since kindergarten in the US. Also anecdotally: I've literally seen a teacher scold student(s) for not performing the pledge of allegiance. The latter case may not be as common; but the former definitely is common in the US.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago

Ok, you see how that's not forcing though. A teacher is not the literal country

[-] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're being pedantic. The original point is referring to how indoctrinating the pledge of allegiance can be. If you're being made to do something since you're a very young kid and risk being scolded when you don't do it: you're essentially being forced.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Pedantic? It's pedantic to call someone out on a lie? Bulllllshit. I was a kid. There was no issue when I didn't do it.

No, it is not "essentially being forced".

[-] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago
[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago

10/10 response. Love it when people just lie and pretend they're right

[-] threeganzi@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

The fact that there was a high profile case might indicate that it’s not as trivially optional as you make it seem.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago

...the fact that there was a successful case proves that it is in fact optional.

[-] threeganzi@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Not necessarily. It does prove that it legally should be optional.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 months ago

Legally it's not required, socially it basically is, and there's real costs to going against that.

So, you're technically right, maybe. It's still not normal for a democracy.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago

There isn't real costs. It's not socially basically required.

Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So many stories Americans have written on here and Reddit contradict that.

Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.

Okay, sure. So what?

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You do realize that the bad is amplified on social media, right?

Okay, sure. So what?

So the statement given was false. And state forcing is completely different from social pressure in ethical terms.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago

I do, and I've adjusted for that. I know Americans and I know how they are about their nationalism.

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

You do understand that right?

They probably don't. Same type of person that brings up Flint MI even though they've addressed the issue

[-] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You do realize fixing the water supply doesn't address the health issues caused from lead exposure automatically, Right? The water supply may be better comparatively. But the issues that it causes in Flint, Michigan are far from resolved.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

And Israel doing the genocide.

[-] Maultasche@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago
[-] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The link in the article to Rheinmetall's history page is particularly interesting. They tell it straight like it was.

Link

[-] kuato@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

As a German defence company, we feel a special responsibility to contribute to the culture of remembrance and commemoration in the context of the Second World War. We have thoroughly examined and documented our role and our transgressions during the Nazi era.

German philosopher Hans-Georg Moeller: Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 16 points 4 months ago

History never repeats, but it rhymes.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Well, that's only fair. They get to be on in the Allies this time around. We (the US) are going to have to work with ... wait, Italy already dumped us. So, Japan? Can we bring back Imperial Japan for our side?

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The denizens of Muskyland will be pointing and shouting about Nazi's if VW plants start making armaments.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Electric tanks? Hybrids maybe?

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