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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

This statement came after the meeting with Doug and the fed ministers.

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[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 3 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

Ford said the meeting was productive. What was the product of that meeting exactly? They said: "Fuck you, you owe us! And we said: "..." What happened to your backbone, Dougie?

[-] chuck@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Ok copyight laws revert back, patents are to be ignored, status quo lost

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 day ago

They desperately want to flood our protected markets and crash our economy and are pissed we aren't letting them - hence the threats. Literally every interaction we have had with the Donald government has been a goddamn threat. Let us crush your local production, let us have your resources, let us have the Arctic, etc etc

[-] OldTellus@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

They need to learn to grow the fuck up and learn you can't have everything.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

They could in the past now they want everything for nothing.

[-] MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago

They still, to this day, do everything they can to make the people of Cuba suffer for their decision to stop Usamerican exploitation of their land/labour/resources, decades ago.

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

They desperately want to flood our protected markets and crash our economy and are pissed we aren’t letting them - hence the threats. Literally every interaction we have had with the Donald government has been a goddamn threat. Let us crush your local production, let us have your resources, let us have the Arctic, etc etc

I think this argument is missing the bigger picture. Trade isn’t some one-sided plot by the U.S. to "take over" Canada—it’s about negotiations, and sometimes, yes, that includes pressure tactics. But the real issue here isn’t some grand conspiracy to flood our markets and crash our economy. It’s that the U.S. often pushes for one-sided trade deals that benefit them more than us, and we push back. That’s not an attack—it’s just how trade disputes work.

The real question is: why should Canada keep such heavily protected markets in sectors like dairy and telecommunications while expecting full access to the U.S. market? Competition is a good thing—it leads to lower prices and better services. Imagine getting European cheeses at a fraction of the cost or finally having real telecom competition. If the U.S. is willing to open its markets to our regional airliners, our softwood lumber, and other key exports, why wouldn’t we negotiate on equal footing?

The problem isn't trade itself—it’s unfair trade. If the U.S. wants access to our markets, we should be getting equivalent access to theirs. That’s the real fight here. Instead of seeing this as a U.S. plot to crush Canada, we should be focused on securing a deal that works both ways—whether that means better market access, fairer tariffs, or even things like freer movement of citizens across borders.

The goal should be fair trade, not a lopsided deal where one side wins at the expense of the other.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

Because they subzidize their dairy and would destroy our dairy industry and then we would be dependent on them for one more thing. Also the US has lost mulotiple cases for the softwood lumber tariffs. And have never paid or stopped the process. So why would it ever be any different.

[-] Sicsurfer@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

You know trump negotiated the last trade deal, right? Canada has protections set up so the American oligarchs can’t take over Canada like they’re doing down south

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, clearly every trade agreement must benefit our local Canadian oligarchs -- Irving, Weston, Rogers and Patterson. We certainly can't use free trade and human dignity to work towards fairer, more equitable societies - that would be too logical right?

[-] Kaput@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Some market have strategic value other are essentials and you need to control. Under cutting local producers until they give up means you can price gouge after and make huge profits. Deregulate milk and see your farmers disappear, you become dependant on a not so friendly neighbor.

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My wallet shouldn't be used to subsidize a fundamentally unproductive Quebec dairy farm because political parties need to prop up their Quebec MPs. Markets should be free, trade should be open and fair for trading partners that feel likewise.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

So the states subsidezs their milk. So your fine with their citizens payinf for you to have cheaper milk. If that even happens.

[-] meowgenau@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago

Markets should be free, trade should be open, industries should be monopolized and the masses should be exploited.

ftfy

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, that seems to be the preference among this crowd. It's good to lick the boots of monopolies and I'm sure everyone loves paying 3x the global cost for cell phone service.

[-] Kaput@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Are you saying only Quebec produces milk? Aren't there farmer in other provinces?

[-] Sicsurfer@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Feel free to move? Canadian society is about supporting individuals

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Canadian society is about supporting individuals

A strong, viable welfare system isn't funded by good feelings. You too are also welcome to leave if you contribute nothing to society.

[-] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

American shills everywhere. Just go away. We will see you soon enough.

[-] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

You say they should have the same access to our market that we have to theirs. The problem with this argument is that their economy and production capabilities are 10x what ours are. If we open up to the same degree, they will crush our tiny market by just flooding it easily. You can't have "equal" access when one economy is 10x the size of the other. We are not equal economies. Yes Canada punches above its weight, but not to the same level as the US. This is why we need to be careful to not let them just flood us. Check the difference between equal vs equitable.

[-] Shadow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Cancon is a good counter to your argument. Without it, our music scene would be nothing.

https://junoawards.ca/blog/a-former-hater-comes-clean/

[-] muh_shroom@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Are you willing to die for Trump? Are your loved ones?

[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

They need a bunch of stuff from Canada, and they know it. Why they're playing dumb like that, we'll never know.

[-] ryper@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

We really ought to stop exports of anything their military needs, for national security reasons. "National security" is one of Trump's favorite justifications, so I'm sure he'll understand.

[-] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

That's how you definitely get invaded. Cover Canada in spikes before you do something like that.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

If they invade Canada, they better not grant citizenship. 30 million New Democrats (75% of Canadians), many new senators, and a bunch of electoral collage votes. There would not be another Republican government for at least a generation. Starting in 2026 (mid-terms).

Just the Canadians already living in the US would have stopped Trump from winning last election.

All we need to do is remind them of the above and they will never, ever invade. It is perhaps our most powerful shield.

With the above in mind, stop sending them nickel immediately. Their military will do the negotiating for us.

The only have the power we give them. Please give them none.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

Why he has said they don't need anything from us. Is he going to go back on that?

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

To make it look like we are treating them unfairly. They are trying to make Canada look like the bad guy.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

The only people who actually believe that "Canada is the bad guy" are the dumbest of the dumb Republican voters. Most people with any sense can see that Trump is the asshole here. Every other world leader, except for putin, publically acknowledges this.

I will also add that Lutnick is a massive piece of shit and paints trump as the saint of all saints. Canada shouldn't even bother having talks with any of their representatives if they're playing pigeon chess.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah I was reading yesterday that the spat with Canada is hugely unpopular with American citizens. Even many GOP voters don't want it. I suspect that the US will keep tariffs up and continue being a pain in the ass, but they will shift their military threats elsewhere. The recent news of the US planning an invasion of Panama seems more possible and would easier for them to sell to the US people. It would still be economic suicide, though.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

I think if the invade Panama, it increases the chance we get invaded. And if the do Greenland after Panama our likelihood of staying a sovereign nation plummets.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago

Crazy to think that voters were convinced that "sleepy joe", and whatever nickname they gave Kamla Harris, would have been worse than what's happening now.

[-] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Hopefully, Canadian leaders are wise enough to take the threats to Canada's sovereignty extremely seriously. It should be their number one priority. Just because the Dollar Menu aficionado in the White House says something that seems baffling on its surface doesn't mean we shouldn't be planning for the worst.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. It does seem as though the new Carney government is up to the task, but we do have an election coming so we shall see.

That said, the Cons are not polling particularly good right now and it would be easy for the Liberals to form coalition with the NDP, Greens, and/or Bloc. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that those parties would cooperate with the US-aligned Cons under PP.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Well you are lucky if you live outside of Saskatchewan or Alberta.

[-] rastapam@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Are we sure they're playing dumb, and aren't just actually dumb?

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

American here. We are dumb. And dangerous. He’s probably going to go after Panama and Mexico first, but make no mistake, he will come for Canada if he can.

Please take the opportunity to remind us why the Geneva Convention is such a long list.

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

That makes us look kinda shitty though, maybe instead y'all could pull a major redemption move and remind us why the second amendment is held so near and dear to y'all's hearts.

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Unfortunately the people smart enough to realize what’s happening are also smart enough to realize how terrible things will get if we do truly kick off a civil war.

For now we’ve moved past the Soap and Ballot boxes, and now we’re watching the Jury box. Once that fails…

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Perhaps half way in-between.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

No I think it is they are dumb.

[-] OldTellus@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

So basically they cant look after themselves, and believe its up to the rest of the world to feed them.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

They're broke and want to expand to get new revenue streams. Taxes from the people, have access to the resources.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Nutlick says what now.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

There seems to be no way out of this without serious threats..

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago

It is serious. Don's an unhinged grifter, but he's also just a puppet president, imo. He's got orders to follow, but he's also a dangerous narcissist with a long leash. Musk is just fucked up these days. He's just trying to syphon as much money as he can, while losing billions at the same time. He had to know he was.tanking Tesla, but he got his $55 billion dollar paycheck from them.

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