The Democrats theatre : memes

[-] MCHumphry@lemm.ee 2 points 15 minutes ago

Democrats are insidious like that, they lull you to sleep with petty reform (inaction) then all of a sudden your neck deep in some insane culture war with all these niche idealogies vying for uber-commodification meanwhile theres a mass congregation of rabid reactionary literal hitlerites spurned on by the media to act as a defense for the rich mfers.

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 10 points 1 hour ago

I am becoming a believer that it isnt weakness, its complicity. The weakness is just a good facade to hide the truth.

It also shouldnt be surprising, the government is just a capitalist mouth piece.

"Fuck you I got mine" should be printed on our money

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[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 2 points 53 minutes ago

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"I affirm your identity! You're free to be who you are without shame! As you die in a cardboard box under a freeway of exposure for failing to be exploited well enough, and as an intentional threat to the other poories to keep laboring for their corpo bribers. 🤷

Ooh, but here, have a ribbon! I hear they're quite tasty when boiled."

They're not the primary villain, those are the corpo Fascists, but they're sure as shit the bumbling secondary antagonist. The Denethor to Sauron.

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago

Its all wedge issues. Keep us arguing about stuff that doesn't get in the way of capitalism and you wont demand a better life. Hell many of us will even defend the party that aligns with our side of a wedge issue because "At least it isnt the other one i hate", and while i understand voting for the lesser evil, we all do it, I will never understand defending the lesser evil. If 2 people are stabbing me to death I wont thank the one using a smaller knife.

[-] Metric@lemmy.zip 34 points 9 hours ago

Support more progressive democrats like AOC and Bernie

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 hours ago

That won't fix things, though. The Democratic party can't go against its base, the bourgeoisie, it acts like a great filter. An actual worker party, like PSL, needs to be built up and supported instead.

[-] PNWKid@lemm.ee 15 points 6 hours ago

Bernie has literally stated that he only runs as a Dem because of the 2 party system and would otherwise be an independent which is the case with most progressives.

Turning up your nose at 2 perfectly good candidates in favor of some non-existent hypothetical candidate is crazy.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago)

it's not crazy; it's ackowledging the absurdity that there's no real choice and examples like mexico w shienbaum & amlo proved that it's easily possible once you stop uncritically swallowing this type of propaganda.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago

Bernie, the guy who refuses to call the Palestinian genocide a genocide? This marvelous tweet Bernie? https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d200e7bc-08c9-4b63-954b-0a7973050cc3.jpeg Bernie the supporter of about every US regime war?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 hours ago

Correct, Bernie's strategy also hasn't worked. As a Communist I don't consider Bernie and AOC to be "perfectly good," and the 2 party system itself needs to be overthrown in order to be fixed, which isn't happening at the ballot box either.

[-] poke@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Bernie and those like him have informed me and many others of what a good politician can look like and may have inspired others like AOC to start their career. I will support them as much as I can because they may inspire even more like them to actually have enough people to make a meaningful change in the party or, if we miraculously get away from the two party system, spin up a new one.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 hours ago

Bernie certainly isn't as bad as, say, Fetterman, but he has his fair share of bad policy (especially foreign policy, which ends up just being justification for US Imperialism), and due to how the 2 party system works the Democrats will never be able to truly be "taken over" by progressives, as that would hurt their donor-base, the bourgeoisie. A genuine worker party is necessary, but it will not be capable of being reformist, it must be revolutionary, ie PSL.

[-] poke@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago

I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding, and I am rubbed the wrong way by how you continue to seem to push that I shouldn't support better politicians just because they aren't perfect.

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding

If what you are saying is that the democratic party could change because we vote in enough progressives then I have a bridge to sell you. The capitalists who own the government would just out-finance progressive election attempts. Think of how many progressives we would need to have it impact the whole Dem party, now think about how many elections that is where the entire force of the media is against the politician who will actually fight for you. Now consider how easily manipulated our wildly uneducated population is.

I know its a bitter pill to swallow but capitalism has already destroyed democracy long ago. It is just that we have been in decline for so long now that it is finally becoming unavoidably obvious.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Not trying to be mean, but how do you envision the DNC changing its tune?

As for your bit on me implying only perfection is acceptable, that's not my stance, rather what I consider acceptable is pretty different. Again, I'm a Communist, that doesn't mean I need my candidate to start a guerilla war from the mountains against their local Wal-Mart, but it does mean I hold stock in anti-US Imperialism and a dedication to bringing about Socialism, which at this point does require revolution.

[-] poke@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

Unfortunately I dont have the time or willpower to go into detail and I do disagree with how you want change to come about, but if what you want happens, I truly hope it results in a better society for people to live in. I think we can both agree we just want things to be better for people.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

Sure, that's fair enough. I think a big problem with communication on Lemmy is people speaking past each other.

On a side note, if you do decide you want to talk, I can do so, or if you want recommendations on Marxist-Leninist theory I can provide some good works if you want to understand my viewpoint better.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

You are in .ml, of course they would advocate for someone further left than Bernie and AOC no matter how implausible their ideas are.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 hours ago

To be clear, AOC's and Bernie's ideas don't seem to have a real path to implementation. Marxists aren't idealists, we are practical and are Materialists, and part of that practicality is understanding that policies can sound good, but without a path to implementation they might as well be ghosts, even if they are more moderate ideas.

[-] facepainter@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Funny how their "marxist" ideas are and have been implemented in Europe for 80+ years.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I didn't call Bernie or AOC Marxists, rather they are Social Democrats. I myself am a Marxist-Leninist and am speaking as one, hence "we." Social Democracies in the Nordics are built on Imperialism, that's how they sustain themselves, and only have the privledges they do because the bourgeoisie was afraid of revolution like in Russia when it first went Socialist.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

LOL

[-] Commiunism@beehaw.org 24 points 9 hours ago

It goes against their interests to promote class consciousness, same applies to any electoral party (even those considering themselves on the left), not just the dems or liberal parties of Europe. Class consciousness develops outside the electoral system.

[-] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 14 points 9 hours ago

Yup, rich exist in both sides of the political spectrum. The war between the right and the left is there to distract from the more important class war.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago

The existence of class war is a Leftist stance, are you referring to Democrats as the "left" or Leftists as the left? I agree that political theater is a distraction, but this wording is confusing.

[-] El_Scapacabra@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

It's a big club, and we're not in it.

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It's actually a small club, and we could make our own big club with healthcare and housing

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[-] VeldtSchema@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago

Everyone is seeing for their own interests. We really need people in power that HATE being in a power.

[-] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 6 points 9 hours ago

I mean, politicians get paid pennies compared to CEO-s with massive risks, why would any intelligent & honest person consider being a politician. Cold fact is, being an honest politician is the worst employment opportunity ever.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 131 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The Republicans are a mass shooter massacring children inside a school

The Democrats are the Uvalde police department

They're just standing around holding their dicks LETTING it happen completely unopposed.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 38 points 15 hours ago

controlled opposition.

[-] voldage@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Doubting that this is the case, seeing how they are trying to push back against protests against Republicans, is just delusional. I refuse to believe them to be so incompetent, that they constantly act against their own interests and boost MAGA message instead. Bernie gets way more attention from the public than everything they are doing right now combined, and they barely acknowledge he exists.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

They deliberately act incompetent. And they have the same interests as the other side of the uniparty since they have the same donors and are ment to serve them, not the public.
And it's not their own controlled opposition Bernie that they want to shut up or furiously andsuddenly competently work to get off the ballots, but real left 3rd party candidates.
They have their Bernies and squad members for the sole reason to keep their voters running away from them.

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