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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So just openly anti-leftist and trying to promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform. Real big brain move, doofus.

New Lemmy users, be aware: a lot of the Reddit astroturfers duplicate their efforts here. Lemmy.ml is a leftist and anti-war instance, so it gets a lot of pushback from the astroturfers. Be immediately suspicious of anyone talking shit of Lemmy.ml. It’s mostly bad actors and pro-war people.

Also, Lemmy.world is chock full of the same abusive and sketchy power mods from Reddit.

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

.ml also has quite a few USSR- and China-fans (apologists for their crimes, going as far as praising Lenin/Stalin/Mao and similar leaders)

And I wouldn't call .ml anti-war, just look at their stance on Ukraine for example (very common: "Russia had to do it because of the evil west")

Calling Lemmy pro-corporate just reads like a joke. The entire point of it is to be independent from companies.

I also wouldn't recommend Lemmy.world simply because it isn't healthy when one instance gets too big.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Never said Lemmy is pro-corporate. The anti-Lemmy.ml posters are.

By “apologists for their crimes,” you’re referring to Lemmy.ml users providing sources dispelling the western hoaxes. Yes, they tend to be better educated and don’t simply repeat western propaganda that’s been debunked.

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They're "disproving" "western hoaxes" like the holodomor or uyghur suppression, and praising the USSR and China for being so kind to its inhabitants...

And how is OP trying to "promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform"?

[-] Carl@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago

holodomor

Nobody is denying that the Soviet Famine happened, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it was a targeted genocide against Ukrainians.

uyghur suppression

Nobody is denying that there was/is a police crackdown, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it is a targeted genocide against Uyghurs.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Lol .ml is not leftist, they're authoritarians.

.ml site-bans people for their speech even on other instances, now that's a page right out of the reddit power tripping mod handbook when you'd get banned from a sub because you interacted with another sub they didn't like

https://lemmy.world/post/26416571

https://lemmy.world/post/26047186

At least here the modlog is public and I can document the speech that .ml actually removes

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

I do think .ml is a little too intense, but op is also kinda right about .world imo. Come to dbzero, we've got anarchism and piracy

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[-] Imhotep@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

my fucking sides

new users, either believe we're alt right astroturfers, or go to the tankie servers, familiarize yourself with their ideas, make your own opinion

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree. They should look at Lemmy.ml to see what y’all are opposing.

Thank you for your accidental recruitment efforts.

[-] Imhotep@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

I'm glad we can agree on this.

I was on .ml about 2 years before .world existed and discovered tankies and their ideas

russia amassing troops on the ukrainian border? just exercises, don't believe western propaganda.
Days later, invasion. well no it's actually ukraine invading russia (I shit you not)
oh well ok it's a "military operation", but that's because they're nazis, and bio weapon laboratories to attack russia. Etc,etc

If you have 2 braincells compare tankie and far right talking points, and underline the similarities

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

compare tankie and far right talking points

Right:

the trans are poisoning our children

Left:

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

NATO was amassing troops & missile deployments on the border with Ukraine for years. Since Obama.

[-] Sootius@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Please link the upvoted opinions that you claim exist like "Ukraine is the one invading Russia" and agreeing it's "just a military operation".

You won't, because you're making this shit up. And I know you won't because I've challenged far too many people to provide evidence of the wide variety of made up shit and none of them ever have.

[-] Imhotep@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it's most likely from ~~yogsaron~~ yogtos or agreeable landscape

I took screenshots, I'll try to dig for them

Edit: so it was Donbas invasion, my bad, it's hard to remember bullshit. if I find enough screenshots maybe I'll make a post to show what c/worldnews on .ml looked like before the reddit migration. Here you see some resistance, but believe me it was mainly tankies, and those absurd posts were upvoted. Sometimes people were trying to inject some sanity, but against the incessant flow of upvoted propaganda, would cash out.

Typical post mocking the absurdity of an invasion (they were a dime a dozen):

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 9 points 1 day ago

tankes gonna tankie

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[-] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 days ago

Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.

It's always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.

On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to "tankism" on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.

I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn't work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.

It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

You should look at OP’s post history. They’re probably responsible for most of those posts. They’re a serious problem poster. Definitely a pro-war, pro-NATO astroturfer. Hardcore anti-leftist psycho.

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[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago

I give .ml a tiny bit more lenience (think I spelled that right).

But they do remove comments in support of ukraine which is just objectively wrong.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 18 points 2 days ago

I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.

But it's the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 16 points 2 days ago

Nah man, my initial onboarding experience was seriously influenced by interacting with .ml. you can pretend the experience of thousands of users doesn't matter, but .ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way. It's good that influence is being diluted.

[-] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of "Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn't let me".

I won't ask you to elaborate. Don't know if it's your case, don't care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn't already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that ".ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way".

You are not "thousands of users" and it's quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don't share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml's tankieness with full context included.

Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn't actually a dictatorship LMAO

.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.

Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol

[-] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about "tankies" on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.

But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post "evidence" that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it's only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it's fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about "tankies".

The claim that .ml is censoring comments "for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK", at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn't be hard; the modlog is public.

That said, I'm personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don't expect me to reply.

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[-] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 15 points 2 days ago

I was on Hexbear and am on .ml. I don’t say and I don’t see anything like what you lot bang on about.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

165 comments.

Lmao wonder what happened here

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago

Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀

No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago

Aw, I like talking to you libs. ✌

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

Locking while we sift through all the reports.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Touch grass nerd

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget Blahaj.Zone as they’re awesome too! Here’s to having 10k folksđŸ»

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 days ago

cmon we just want capitalism to die already đŸ„ș

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime

[-] Carl@lemm.ee 33 points 2 days ago

Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago

No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China's dictator. Most .ml I've interacted with are also on Russia's side.

Don't act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That'd be fine. It's everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago
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[-] Cycadophyta@lemmy.cafe 37 points 2 days ago

Remember to donate to your server admin. Running a server is expensive, not to mention the time and effort that goes into maintenance

[-] Delvin4519@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

It's slowly starting to look like the next great influx as seen from Fedecan stats.

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[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

No stupid questions, right? What do they do?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they'll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.

Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.

.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.

You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.

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