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cmon we just want capitalism to die already 🥺
Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can't work if people don't want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.
if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?
This conversation is great.
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I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?
that just means you will be completely ineffective.
to falling to propoganda
... or snapping out of it. seriously, if you live in the US you have Hollywood right by your doorstep. take a moment to investigate leftism further than what their common sense is, and you will see its nothing like that. also note not i'm not saying its perfect either, but we are constantly learning.
the owner class engages in class warfare whether we decide to believe in it or not.
Libertarian socialism
No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China's dictator. Most .ml I've interacted with are also on Russia's side.
Don't act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That'd be fine. It's everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.
china is not a dictatorship. russia is better than the US.
Sorry, that's just objectively wrong. Both are bad, but Russia is nowhere close to the us.
wtf are you talking about. does russia get anywhere CLOSE to this?
please scroll though that list and let it sink in on the absolutely cruel evil shit the US has been doing for the last century or so.
Oh yeah, the soviet union nevvvvvver involved themselves in coups. That's something only evil westerners do.
(Please don't looked at the history of Africa, or southern/southeat Asia during the cold war.
the soviet union has ended 30 years ago and its internationalist policies stopped way before that.
Trust me, I've been following this stuff as well. I am no fan of america, but saying its better than russia is just objectively bad.
and i'm literally on the receiving end of US and european imperialism. the US sponsored a brutal military dictatorship in my country and on most of our neighbours, and still sponsors the plundering of our natural resources and workforce. shit, they tried to put a dictator in power in here recently, we barely escaped.
modern-day russia doesn't have as much influence throughout the world, nor does it have as bloody military by a big margin.
What the U.S did was terrible, obviously. That should go without saying.
Although, I'm pretty sure Russia does have influence, with all the troll farms and whatnot.
oh, they do have influence. but not like that is what i mean.
America is way more democratic.
Dictator: one holding complete autocratic control.
Yeah, I think it is.
Well, at least you're admitting what I said is true. I could argue with you, but it doesn't matter. The fact isn't even if it's better than the US. I never made a statement on that. Your people are apologists for Russia and defend it's invasion of a sovereign nation. Can you agree with me that's bad? No whataboutisms or anything. Just admit it is bad.
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?
Same, I just don't want it to be like the soviet union.
not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.
we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.
Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn't giving me anything useful.
For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn't be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.