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Trump halt of arms aid to Ukraine ‘painful, but not fatal,’ Kyiv says (www.politico.eu)

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 35 points 7 hours ago

Around 85% of battlefield kills are done with domestically produced drones, according to recent stats I saw. So I think the world bought Ukraine mostly enough time to get their war machine rolling.

That being said, this hurts their air defense far more than the front lines, if I understand it right.

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's not so much about what is happening on the battlefield, but about air defence. Ukrainian infrastructure is permanently targeted with missiles and drones. The Patriot missiles are very much needed for defence against missiles.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 hours ago

Does the 85% of kills mean drones are the entire kill chain or just a part of it? For example would a Russian tank destroyed by artillery, but spotted by a drone be done by a drone?

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

From what I understand it’s not including artillery kills. Most tanks are destroyed using kamikaze FPV drones, I believe.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 26 points 8 hours ago

Time for Europe to step in. They saw this coming anyway.

[-] bassad@jlai.lu 15 points 7 hours ago

Unfortunately Europe can't produce and send patriot missiles to feed UA air defense, and cruelly lack of air defense system (for what I know : I don't).

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago

I guarantee you that the moment Ukraine received one of the Patriot missile systems, they reverse engineeed it. These are smart and highly resourceful people

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

They have f-16s now too. This allows them to use western air-to-air missiles in addition to air-to-ground, increasing the variety of options people have for giving them stuff.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 7 hours ago

Here's a couple of things that are going on

Gravehawk

5000 thales from UK

Aster 30 B1NT early days but Europe has already started

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 hours ago

Also German support with 6 Iris-T in Ukraine already and another 6 being worked on. Also 56 Gepards and 2 Skynex systems. https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

US weapons all come with restrictions anyway, better to get others or make your own.

[-] Goldholz 16 points 7 hours ago

Polish weapons wouldnt come with restrictions. They would come with demands: "Kill as many russians as possible with this"

[-] Lemmist@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago

Does Poland provide anything more long-range than 155 artillery shell? That's the main problem:(

[-] Goldholz 1 points 6 hours ago

Probably

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 6 hours ago

And if not, the Ukrainians are doing quite well in the long-range department. Just yesterday they blew up an oil refinery 1300 km from the front lines.