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  • The episode title “The Broken Circle” is similar to the title of DS9’s second season episode, “The Circle”.

    • The titular Circle in “The Circle” was the colloquial name for a Bajoran extremist organization, the Alliance for Global Unity, who were being covertly supplied by the Cardassian Union in order to sow political chaos and smooth the way for them to retake Bajor. Here the Broken Circle is a mining syndicate made up of former soldiers from both the Federation and Klingon empire looking to reignite the war between powers so they can profit off the conflict.
  • At Starbase 1 we see:

    • A number of ships which appear to be identical to the drones used by the Section 31 ships under the control of…Control during “Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2”.

    • Shuttlecraft of the type introduced in the episode, “Strange New Worlds”.

    • A Starfleet vessel of a previously unseen configuration.

      • We only see the nacelles, struts, and a bit of the secondary hull that they’re attached to of this ship, but it appears to be the Crossfake-class from later in the episode flipped upside down, including have the registry.
    • A single nacelle ship, of the same type as the USS Archer seen in “Strange New Worlds”.

    • The USS Enterprise NCC-1701, no bloody A, B, C, D, E, F, or G.

    • A starship with the same spaceframe as the USS Farragut as seen in “A Quality of Mercy”.

  • Pike’s [Anson Mount] captain’s log records the stardate as 2369.2.

    • One time to refresh everyone’s memory of how SNW does things, here are the stardates mentioned in season one:
Episode Stardate
“Strange New Worlds” 1739.12
“Strange New Worlds” 2259.42
“Children of the Comet” 2912.4
“Ghosts of Illyria” 1224.3
“Memento Mori” 3177.3
“Memento Mori” 3177.9
“Spock Amok” 2341.4
“Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach” 1943.7
“The Serene Squall” 1997.7
“The Elysian Kingdom” 2341.6
”All Those Who Wander” 2510.6
“Errand of Mercy” 1457.9
  • “Oh sure, just take three days off from being captain of the Enterprise to go to the other side of the quadrant and get a door slammed in your face.” Quadrant here doesn’t likely refer to the entire alpha quadrant, but the smaller quadrants that were frequently mentioned in TOS and TNG, before DS9 and VOY started having major concerns on the other side of the galaxy.

  • Doctor M’Benga [Babs Olusanmokun] cites the events of season one’s “All Those Who Wander” where Spock [Ethan Peck] embraced his anger over the death of lieutenant Duke to combat the Gorn. Apparently doing so has had long term impact on Spock’s ability to suppress his powerful Vulcan emotions.

  • Doctor M’Benga produced a Vulcan lute from a supply closet. We know from season one that Spock has one in his quarters as well. The instrument was introduced in “Charlie X”.

  • Nurse Chapel [Jess Bush] tells Doctor M’Benga she is considering applying for an archeological medicine fellowship. Her future fiancée, Roger Korby, is referred to by Spock as ”The Pasteur of archeological medicine,” in “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” and he taught classes that Chapel attended.

  • Nyota Uhura [Celia Rose Gooding] has traded in her cadet’s badge for that of an officer. She did have on an officer’s delta during Pike’s flash forward in “A Quality of Mercy” but at the very end of the episode when we saw her in the show’s present, she was back to being a cadet.

  • Admiral Robert April [Adrian Holmes] refers to lieutenant La’an Noonien-Singh [Christina Chong] as ”a former member of Starfleet,” because she’s been on voluntary leave for a few months. Seems kind of harsh, especially when we’ve seen characters resign their commission and come back to duty with no consequence, such as Worf in “Redemption” and “Redemption II”.

  • Changes from the season one opening credits:

    • The Enterprise flies through the atmosphere of a planet with massive trees - The Enterprise is depicted in front of a field of ice

    • The Enterprise performs a roll as it flies directly at the viewer, and the Enterprise flies over the surface of a planet towards a distant tower - The camera pans across the rear of the Enterprise from starboard

    • The planetary ring from the season one credits appears to be burning up, and the Enterprise flies from right to left - The Enterprise flies left to right through a planetary ring

    • Meteorites impact against the shields of the Enterprise - A nebula orbiting a star is visible beyond the bow of the Enterprise

    • The Enterprise orbits Starbase 1 with an arctic environment visible in on of the biomes - The Enterprise orbits Starbase 1 with a deciduous forest environment visible in on of the biomes

  • Spock and the remaining senior staff enact a plan to steal the Enterprise so they can intervene in the threat La’an warned them about via a coded distress signal. Spock will also steal the Enterprise in “The Menagerie, Part I”, and in “Star Trek: The Search for Spock” Kirk and the senior staff steal the Enterprise to retrieve Spock’s body.

  • Commander Pelia [Carol Kane] is seen wearing a Stafleet operations division badge with a black backing, possibly indicating her position as an instructor at the Academy.

  • ”You can always count on a Vulcan’s inability to lie.” Vulcans lie all the time.

    • In “The Menagerie, Part I”, Spock tells Pike, “I have never disobeyed your orders before, Captain,” which contradicts “The Red Angel” where he refuses an order to stand down.

    • In “The Menagerie, Part I”, Spock made a false entry in the Enterprise’s log.

    • In “The Menagerie, Part 2”, it is revealed that Spock has been aware the entire time that the trial was a Talosian projection and thus has been making false statements in service of that deception.

    • In “A Taste of Armageddon”, Spock lies as a distraction, claiming there’s a bug on someone’s shoulder before nerve pinching them.

    • In “Errand of Mercy”, Spock tells Kor he’s a merchant.

    • In “Amok Time”, Spock lies about his excitement seeing that Kirk survived kal-if-fee, claiming it was simply logical relief that Starfleet did not lose a capable captain.

    • In “The Enterprise Incident”, the Romluan commander asks if it is merely a myth that Vulcans cannot lie, to which he responds, “It is no myth.”

    • In “The Enterprise incident”, Spock claims he was unprepared for Kirk’s attack, and used the *”Vulcan death grip” instinctually. Clearly the attack had been planned, and there is no such thing as a Vulcan death grip.

    • In “Yesteryear”, Spock lies about his identity after travelling to the past and visiting his family.

    • In “More Tribbles, More Troubles” Spock claims that Vulcans don’t have a sense of humour, which they obviously do.

    • In “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan”, Spock lies about how long it will take to repair the Enterprise in case the transmission is being monitored. When Saavik calls him on this, he claims he merely exaggerated.

    • In “Spock Amok”, Spock told Chapel that he had a dream where he had to fight his human side, whereas it was obvious that in his dream Spock was the human half fighting his Vulcan side.

  • Pelia notes that Spock is the son of Amanda Grayson, a character first introduced in “Journey to Babel”

    • We learn that Amanda is one of the first people whom Pelia came out regarding being a Lanthanite. This is presented as being fairly noteworthy, yet in the episode Spock is apparently unaware that Pelia is a Lanthanite, or even that his mother is acquainted with one. It would seem that Spock learned his habit of keeping personal information close to the chest from Amanda.
  • Pelia implies that she contribute to the design of the engines aboard the Enterprise.

    • Pelia says that it has been 100 years since she previously was on a ship with engines she worked on, which would mean it was around 2160. The Federation was established in 2161.
  • Uhura recognizes Pelia’s accent as being Lanthanite.

    • Spock says that Lanthanites ”managed to live on Earth among other humans, undetected until the 22nd century,” which would seem to imply that Lanthanites are actually an extremely long lived subspecies of humans.

    • In “Requiem for Methuselah” we were introduced to the character of Flint, a human born 3834 BCE.

  • Spock’s “I would like the ship to go. Now,” does not survive to his becoming first officer, nor does he have a “thing” in TOS or the movies.

    • Kirk did not have a ”thing.” Nor did Sisko or Janeway. The idea that everyone likely to give the command to go to warp needs to have their own catchphrase is unsustainable.
  • The bloodwine mugs appear to be slightly battered versions of the ones first seen in “Apocalypse Rising”.

  • When Doctor M’Benga catches La’an’s attention, he traces a line with his index finger beneath one eye, a gesture they shared in “Strange New Worlds”.

  • La’an reveals she was able to locate the parents of Orianna, the child rescued from the wreck of the USS Peregrine in “All Those Who Wander”. La’an took her leave of absence to find them at the end of that episode.

  • ”Up until the war, this planet provided a steady flow of dilithium to both sides, like it does now.” In “The Vulcan Hello” it was established that there had been no interactions between the Klingon Empire and the Federation for 100 years. Presumably one or both sides could have been supplied through some third party, though.

  • We learn that Doctor M’Benga and Chapel both served during the Federation-Klingon War. As per “Project Daedalus” the USS Enterprise was not recalled during the war.

  • A curtain in the makeshift medical tent reads ”Medical Clinic” in Federation Standard, Klingon, Illyrian, Orion, and Tellarite.

    • The tent also has a Starfleet Medical caduceus stencilled on it.

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[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
  • La’an bluffs a Broken Circle weapons buyer with an ”antimatter detonation switch,” something she tells Uhura she made up on the spot. In “Surrender” Jack Crusher pulled a similar trick on Vadic, implying a personal forcefield was actually an unknown weapon.

  • In the dilithium mines, Doctor M’Benga and Chapel see what appears to be a mostly constructed Starfleet ship.

    • When the ship enters space, Mitchell says she thinks it’s a Crossfield-class, like the USS Discovery. The ship does have a Crossfield-class saucer, but the secondary hull is very different.

    • Motion graphics art director for the series, Tim Peel, has confirmed on twitter that it is not actually a Crossfield-class.

    • The Crossfake’s transponder has its registry as NCC-1729.

  • Doctor M’Benga and nurse Chapel inject themselves with a serum that that makes them slower and weaker so that when they attack their Klingon captors they don’t completely overwhelm them. Not doing so would be considered a war crime, as Klingons are extremely bad a fighting as seen in many, many episodes including, but not limited to:

    • “The Trouble with Tribbles” - Klingons provoke Scotty, Chekov and other Enterprise crew to a fight, only to lose

    • “Star Trek: The Search for Spock” - A Klingon lord gets the jump on a Starfleet captain, and ends up dumped into a pool of magma like he’s trying to steal the One Ring

    • “House of Quark” - The head of a Klingon House attacks a small Ferengi and ends up stabbing himself to death

    • “Marauders” - A group of malnourished colonists fend of a group of armed Klingon warriors after only a day’s worth of Vulcan martial arts training

    • “The Vulcan Hello” - A Klingon Torchbearer attacked an unarmed Starfleet officer with a bat’leth and stabbed himself to death

  • Apparently in the Klingon Empire they do call them Klingon disruptors.

  • The D7-class battlecruiser we see appears to be a reuse of the CGI model introduced in “Through the Valley of Shadows”, perhaps with some updated textures.

  • Doctor M’Benga was able to use the Crossfake’s transponder communicate with the Enterprise in Morse 2. Morse code has been previously used in:

    • The SS Botany Bay’s call signal in “Space Seed” was broadcast in morse

    • Scotty tapped out ”stand back” before destroying the wall of the brig in “Star Trek: The Final Frontier”

    • The SS Mariposa’s distress beacon was an SOS in “Up the Long Ladder”

    • In “The 37’s” the *USS Voyager” discovered an SOS coming from a planet in the Delta quadrant

    • Harry is able to alert Tom Paris of sabotage aboard the Delta Flyer using morse in “Drive”

    • In “Mindwalk” Dal was able to send an SOS to the rest of the Protogies, but they assumed those were the only letters he would have memorized so they couldn’t use it to communicate back to him.

  • ”They thought it worth their lives to prevent another war. Logical.” This follows Spock’s reasoning from “Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan” where he first says, ”Logic dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

  • The maneuvering pack Doctor M’Benga finds looks to be of the type introduced in “Brother”.

  • We see the D7’s nacelles reconfigure to ready weapons; “Elaan of Troyius” established that the nacelles also house disruptor cannons.

  • Spock is able to revive Chapel using CPR. We’ve previously seen Kirk use the technique to save the life of a child in “The Paradise Syndrome”, and Tendi do so with Boimler in “First First Contact”. It’s not entirely clear if Chakotay actually performed CPR on Janeway in “Coda” or if that was only part of a hallucination inflicted upon her by an alien entity.

  • Captain D’Chok’s armour has a similar design to the Klingon armour introduced in “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” and used all through TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the TOS and TNG movies, but is gold, like the tunics Klingon soldiers wore during TOS.

    • D’Chok’s baldric bears a House symbol first seen in the DIS episode “Point of LIght” one by one of the members of the High Council.

    • Both House D’Ghor and House Kol wore gold armour in season one of DIS.

  • Spock states he ”[has] been known to” drink bloodwine. In “The Conscience of the King” Spock tells Bones that his father’s people were *”spared the dubious benefits of alcohol,” which might imply that they are not actually capable of becoming drunk from it. And in “Cease Fire” Soval declares that Vulcans do not drink, but he himself immediately makes an exception. Also, T’Pol, Sakonna, Tuvok, and Spock are all seen drinking at one point or another. And both Vulcan port and Vulcan brandy were introduced in “The Maquis, Part I” and “Repression” respectively.

    • Despite his claim, this is the first instance of Spock drinking bloodwine on screen.

    • Spock is hungover during his call with April, so perhaps even if Vulcans are spared the benefits of alcohol, they still experience the drawbacks, which could explain why they don’t drink. Except when they do.

  • When the map in April’s office resolves, a few locations can be made out

    • Deep Space 2

    • Galdonterre - The planet where Kang, Kor, and Koloth were able to track the Albino to in “Blood Oath”

    • Cestus - Cestus III is introduced in “Arena” as the planet where the Enterprise beams down to have dinner at an observation outpost only to find it’s been razed by the Gorn

    • What is a probable Gorn attack ship - in the Gorn Hegemony they just call them ships.

[-] TheGayTramp@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

Klingons are extremely bad a fighting

Don't forget Worf losing a fight to a blue barrel

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 10 points 2 years ago

I wanted to leave him some dignity.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

Worf regularly loses battles with doors. Dignity is his least concern.

[-] WoundedSacrifice@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

La’an bluffs a Broken Circle weapons buyer with an ”antimatter detonation switch,” something she tells Uhura she made up on the spot. In “Surrender” Jack Crusher pulled a similar trick on Vadic, implying a personal forcefield was actually an unknown weapon.

It made me think of Kirk’s bluff in “The Corbomite Maneuver”.

[-] abba2566@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

Janeway also attempts to give CPR to a dead crewman in Voy: Scientific Method

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

True, but I made the choice to only list successful incidents of CPR.

[-] future_meme@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

Ok, that’s pretty dang funny about the serum slowing them down. That part of the episode jumped the shark for me. I’m excited to see the rest of the series, but thought this episode wasn’t great.

[-] scarecrw@lemmy.one 9 points 2 years ago

Wonderful to see you here, USSBurritoTruck! These posts are amazing as always! That catch about a possible Roger Korby connection is fantastic, and with all the focus they've put on Chapel's relationship with Spock, I wouldn't be surprised to see that come into play.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago

I can’t imagine it was not an intentional callback to TOS, foreshadowing Chapel’s meeting, and falling for(?), Roger Korby.

[-] kbsez@postchat.io 4 points 2 years ago

@USSBurritoTruck @scarecrw

Interesting. Yes, it has to be on purpose.

I had forgotten the Korby/Chapel timeline and had to look up the details.

#SNW 'The Broken Circle' takes place somewhere in 2260.

Korby disappeared around 2261 at which time he was engaged to Chapel who had been his student at some point. (the archeological medicine fellowship?)

The #TOS ep 'What Are Little Girls Made Of' takes place in 2266.

Damn... I'm going to need some sort of flow chart soon.

[-] LibraryLass@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago

So things may move pretty fast with Korby. A whirlwind rebound after things get awkward with Spock?

[-] kbsez@postchat.io 2 points 2 years ago

@LibraryLass

If this fellowship Chapel is talking about is the one where she meets Kirby… yeah. A two month romance leading to engagement.

[-] Continuumguy@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago

Fun as always, although a bummer that Lemmy can't let you have the full post all in the top post.

Also, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught the reference Korby's specialty.

[-] Lockely@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago

Can the mods maybe pin the followup comment chain?

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be an option, or else I would pin it. I think what I'll have to do is link to the comment with the rest at the bottom of the post.

Then maybe in the future I'll need to work at keeping it under 10k characters, though this one was almost 16k.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

Just delete every third character.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago

Or I can just link to the admin every post asking them to extend the character limit.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Having a child comment to continue it is fine. I only wish it would be the to comment by default, but linking to it at the bottom of part one is a good countermeasure.

[-] ihavethatpower@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

”You can always count on a Vulcan’s inability to lie.” Vulcans lie all the time.

Especially fun in the context of Star Trek VI:

SPOCK: Curious. Very well. In twenty-four hours we'll agree this conversation did not take place.
VALERIS: A lie?
SPOCK: An omission.

SPOCK: Thank you, Mister Scott. Lieutenant, please inform Starfleet Command our warp drive is inoperative.
VALERIS: A lie?
SPOCK: An error.

KIRK: Names, Lieutenant.
VALERIS: I do not remember.
SPOCK: A lie?
VALERIS: A choice.

Spock is somewhat easy to justify, being half human. Valeris is trickier. Had she remained Saavik, and been revealed to be half-Romulan as planned, it would once again have been easy to justify. The change from Saavik to Valeris, and dropping of the half-Romulan aspect, means we have a TOS-era Vulcan following in the "it's not a lie if I can use a different synonym" pattern Spock uses, so more or less renders the whole thing untrue.

[-] ferengigrindset@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago

I always thought of it as being like how Vulcans say they have no emotions even though they have very strong emotions. They probably just have a strong cultural taboo against lying, but they're really full of themselves, so they think of it as being unable to lie.

[-] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Remember that it's the Vulcans that tell everyone that they cannot lie. People tend to assume that such logical beings are telling them the truth, and they just reinforce that belief by saying it. It's a tactical advantage to them.

[-] emmanuel@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

Oh God how I missed this kind of posts since I left Reddit last year. Thank you and the creators of startrek.website so much!

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago

Personally, I want to solve the Mystery of Pelia's Brooch.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago

Older women love brooches, and Pelia is potentially the oldest woman.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

In the TOS era everyone loves their flair.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago

How many pieces is she required to wear?!

[-] Lockely@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago

Kirk did not have a ”thing.” Nor did Sisko or Janeway. The idea that everyone likely to give the command to go to warp needs to have their own catchphrase is unsustainable.

I'll give you Kirk and Sisko, but Janeway absolutely did. Whereas Picard had "engage" and "make it so," Janeway had "Do it." It wasn't always her 'warp' thing, but it was certainly her go to phrase for finishing an order.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago

"Do it" is certainly something Janeway says a lot, but it isn't specifically her command to engage the warp drive, nor do I believe it was something that the writers room intended to be a phrase she put any thought into, but rather something they felt suited her character.

For that matter, I don't think Picard was intended to be a character that put any forethought into his *"Engage," and, "Make it so," catchphrases.

The idea that every character needs to have a "thing" irks me probably more than it should. Saru trying to come up with a phrase suited the character to an extent because he was anxious and trying to project a certain authority, and also he wasn't work on it on the bridge. I'll even forgive Captain Freeman her "Warp me!" because it's part of her character that she's trying to stand out and get more recognition. But here, when the characters are ostensibly on a rescue mission they felt was important enough to steal the Enterprise, they still take a pause to banter about the need for a "thing." Nah, this is easily the worst trope of modern Trek.

[-] WoundedSacrifice@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago

It wasn’t necessarily a warp command, but I’d say that “Steady as she goes” was Kirk’s thing.

[-] LibraryLass@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago

Or sometimes "Ahead", in the same way Picard gets two.

[-] JWBananas@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Should we start a GoFundMe for the one missing Canon Connections?

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago

I am of two minds.

On the one hand, some monetary recompense would make the prospect of rewatching that episode someone less objectionable.

However, the idea that anyone would be willing to part with their money for one of these lists makes me never want to do one again.

[-] JWBananas@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

monetary recompense

On Bajor they just call it recompense.

[-] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

One time to refresh everyone’s memory of how SNW does things, here are the stardates mentioned in season one:

so.... how do we reconcile figuring out how stardates work here? it would seem to not be linear.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago

My assumption at this point is that the stardates in SNW are a targeted attack on me specifically. The one way to resolve it is for me to challenge Akiva Goldsman to ritual combat with the lirpa, but he won’t reply to my emails.

[-] DeceptiKHAAAN@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They work just like they did in TOS, where everything is made up and the stardates don't matter.

For real tho. The TOS season 2 writer's bible (which you can find online) basically says the stardate number is a complex calculation that depends not only on time, but your location in the galaxy. I would not be surprised at all if the showrunners/writers are aware of this and are purposely doing it as an homage.

[-] lxskllr@mastodon.world 2 points 2 years ago

@DeceptiKHAAAN @FormerGameDev

I usually don't get involved in overly technical discussions of fiction, but this is bothering me now. How can so few numbers give sufficient precision to calculate X,Y,Z,T(?) coordinates?

[-] DeceptiKHAAAN@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I mean, practically, it doesn't make much sense. In the bible's context, I think Roddenberry was just giving potential writers (like all their guest writers) an out to not have to worry about their date falling into some continuity with another episode, and just made it sound more science-y to explain it away. Really, back then, he didn't really care so much for technical jargon, as long as the story was good and made sense for the characters (this point is also essentially stated in the bible). If you've never read that bible, I highly recommend it, especially if you like behind the scenes kind of stuff. It gives you a bit about what Roddenberry was thinking back then in his approach to the show. Even has a joke or two sprinkled in.

Wow, what an awesome post. Thank you for all of the cool details!

Pelia seems like a fun character. I'm interested in seeing how this season develops, especially with the new "big bad."

[-] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

This felt more like a mini movie than an episode. I hope this is just to please the studio as a season opener than what to expect the whole way through. I want conversational drama, not adrenaline filled action.

[-] TheGayTramp@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Don’t forget Worf losing a fight to a blue barrel

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