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[-] Lux18@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Spreading defeatist comments and pessimism, saying that this won't accomplish anything anyway and undermining the power of the collective is exactly what killed this movement in Croatia.

The movement started with a general spending boycott on fridays (so no money transactions - no stores, bars, gas stations, bank transactions etc), and a week long boycott of three supermarket chains that had the most egregious prices compared to other countries (those chains operate all over Europe, and their prices in other countries are far cheaper for the exact same products - despite lower operational costs in Croatia). After that, we switched to boycotting one chain every week.

The boycott was very effective. On the first friday of the boycott, the state financial department reported a 43% decrease in sales volume in the country. Just think about that for a second. And no - there has not been an increase in spending in the days before or after the boycott. In fact, they were still lower compared to the weeks before and the sales volume decreased in the following week by about 10%.

But like I said, unfortunately it died out over the next 4-5 weeks, with each boycott achieving lower decreases. And it died out exactly because of trolls that spread this defeatist attitude thinking they're so smart for seeing the "real" picture. Laughable.
Of course, the astroturfing has been insane, they really went berserk after the first friday. There's been an insane amount of bots posting comments that this doesn't work, that we should be protesting the government instead (as if holding signs in front of government buildings hurts them more than 50% less money flowing into the state piggy bank), that this hurts the citizens more than the conglomerates, that this will cause them to increase the prices to cover the losses etc etc. Just ridiculous claims all over social media.
And yeah, people got deflated and the movement died out.

Thanks idiots.

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[-] elfin8er@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I'm planning on participating, but it's not going to work. And it won't work because it's not popular, and it's not popular because it won't work.

[-] WagyuSneakers@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

It won't work because people are just going to stock up the day before and binge the day after. No one is going to feel anything.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

^^ Lame comment.

Do you think everybody just has to go out and buy stuff everyday? I certainly don't, and there are probably days in every one of my weeks where I buy nothing.

Economic protests are effective, so we should all encourage participation instead of making wet blanket comments to discourage participation.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

I think you're missing the point of this criticism.

People buy stuff, and then they use it. If they don't use less, they won't buy less, even if there's a specific day where they choose not to buy anything. That day's avoided purchases just get moved to another day, and the seller doesn't feel any effect.

A real boycott takes money that would've been spent on a specific seller and takes it away forever. It's a shift in purchase behavior to a competitor, or a shift in consumption behavior to not need to purchase that thing anymore.

As an extreme example, someone who boycotts Tesla every day for 5 years but still buys a Tesla once every 5 years is not effectively boycotting Tesla, even if that boycott covers 1825 days in a row.

Same with people who normally grocery shop on Friday, who shift their purchases to Saturday.

I would advocate for boycotting specific companies instead, and steering that money you would've spent to someone else (even a charity, so as to reduce one's own consumption). The boycotts need to shift recipients of the money, not dates of when that money changes hands.

[-] WagyuSneakers@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

This isn't an economic protest. This is slacktivism. One day or a handful of days will have exactly zero effect. Every one of you advocating for it and defending it is actively hurting the effort. You are the fascists best friend.

I don’t think this makes people the facist’s BFF but it is ineffective if you don’t just stop buying from these companies

[-] WagyuSneakers@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

There's danger in wasting opposition efforts. People will lose hope when these nonsense attempts have no impact. People will spend efforts doing this and feeling productive without actually accomplishing anything. We really don't have the luxury of throwing effort away.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

The better solution is targeted rolling medium-ter. boycots of specific companies/products that we won't realistically drop entirely.

Roll between boycots of Amazon, Walmart, etc for month each to impact their quarterly reports and fuck up their stocks.

[-] elfin8er@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

That's the plan afaik.

[-] tree_frog@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

Amazon blackout, March 7th through March 14th.

I'm personally making that my cut off point for using Amazon at all. And if it wasn't for their return policy I would have stopped quite a while ago.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A boycott will be more effective if we laser-focus our efforts:

  1. Focus on Amazon, Tesla (anything Musky), & Meta
  2. Make the boycott permanent

As for me, I’ve done my part. I will never shop Amazon again, or purchase from any online store that uses Amazon for shipping, and all my Meta accounts have been permanently deleted. Done.

Why restrict it to a few days or a week “blackout” or whatever? That’s weak sauce. Everything you can find on Amazon, you can find elsewhere. Stop giving them money.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

It's been an amazon blackout since Bezos was front seat at the inauguration.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For many of us, every day is Amazon blackout day. It really isn't that much of an inconvenience to shop elsewhere. You can do it too! I believe in you!

Also, your returns are likely to end up in a landfill.

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Costco has a better return policy and still supports DEI. Though I’m not convinced Costco can replace some of the more niche items I order from Amazon.

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Remember that you still buy the same stuff you normally do, you just don't get them from Amazon and bezos. Specialty items can be bought directly from the manufacturer. Give them the full value for their products, don't make them give Amazon a share just because you are too lazy to log into a non Amazon site.

[-] tree_frog@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I often do do that. And prefer to order from the manufacturer when possible.

However, there are expensive niche items that are very difficult to find other places and that are prone to damage in shipping due to their bulk, and the other places you can find them have shit return policies or extremely high markups. Because they are manufactured in China, shipped here and then relabeled.

Don't assume other people are lazy because you don't see their point of view.

I used it when I needed it, I got sucked into the convenience and I use it more than I like, I was planning on stopping anyway as my account is about to expire. March 7th gives me a good excuse to do it.

Please be civil, don't tell people they're lazy. I get we're all outraged but let's not target each other.

[-] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 185 points 4 days ago

The key thing to remember is that a one day blackout won't have an effect on the corporations. What it will do is get more people comfortable with taking action. If you can go one day without buying from Amazon, two days isn't much more, and then a week, and then a month. The idea is to ratchet up the action.

Just like how fascism has a progression to slowly "boil the frog," collective societal action does, too. This isn't an end but a beginning.

[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

You’re half right. It does affect the corporations but not much. Change is change. Just need to be more proactive about it and keep continuing.

[-] tree_frog@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Amazon blackout, that's March 7th through March 14th.

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[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago

One day at a time. Isn't that what the 12 Step groups say? People in this thread saying this won't do anything. You have to start somewhere. Don't be defeatist. Get involved. Unless you are just trolling to keep people from doing anything.

[-] anon593839@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Doomer do-nothings are so incredibly frustrating. I get the frustration, but spreading apathy is not useful. Authoritarianism flourishes when apathy takes root among the populace.

[-] Fredthefishlord 7 points 3 days ago

Real doing something is a long term boycott. Not a one day thing. Real doing something is labor organization, unions allow collaboration at a higher level, and allow you to strike back at the throat.

Even protesting at a leftist capital is doing more than a single day's blackout.

Go exercise your second amendment by a conservative senator's house if you really want to do something (and I don't mean that as a shoot them euphemism. Make them uncomfortable.)

[-] witten@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

The organization that organized the economic blackout has longer-term boycotts planned in the coming weeks. This is just the opening salvo. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

you are doing nothing.
this is not resistance, it's embarrassing. you all deserve what you get.

[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Americans have not had to protest like this in many many decades. That is it's been "good enough" for a large part of the population to not really do anything, so there is no system that people can tap into like in France. So thinking that you are going to get a million+ people to go into the streets and shut everything down for a few weeks isn't realistic.

American protest opposition also has a great response to these gatherings by getting them to turn into riots so there is justification for military style responses. Which makes people on the fence hesitant. Getting people to dip their toe in the lake of resistance is the best way forward. It's slow, it looks silly and limiting but if it works it emboldens more people to do more.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

For real. Most Americans have probably never even participated in a “buy nothing” day, much less a pocket book protest against a government.

I don’t see what’s wrong with starting with one day, letting people get used to the concept, then dialing up the frequency once word of mouth has spread.

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[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago
[-] ClownsInSpace2@lemm.ee 70 points 4 days ago

I just been not buying things most days. Anti-consumerism 2025

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago

If everyone just holds off buying their shit until March 1st, or buys everything they will need Feb 27, then this blip won't have any effect.

You've got the right idea, if we want to actually hit them where it hurts. I'm doing the same, but not really by choice. I'm just broke.

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Since Amazon doesn’t actually MAKE anything, just resells stuff, can’t we get a delete and cancel Amazon day too?

[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

There is in the making. https://www.mobilize.us/indivisible/

This is the start and will keep growing.

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