The only person I know who believes this twaddle about vaccines is a retired nurse and very religious (Christian). Even though everyone in our friend group and in her own family has survived multiple vaccines unscathed, she still issues dire warnings about the latest batch. Arguing has no effect, so I just laugh in her face now.

And if you ever happen to look at the shit hole that is truthsocial, it’s a breeding ground for this shit, in order to propagate scans and grifts.

We passed well beyond Idiocracy, they eventually changed for the better when they listened to the smart guy, we have actively hostile people in charge rather than simple idiots.

FreeDUMD = the freedom to be stupid

Yeah, you're not exactly sounding rational there buddy.

You think we should mistrust doctors who advise you take a preventative treatment that every healthcare system on earth recommends and has since the treatment was created because in one country the people who pay for medicine sometimes don't want to pay for things the doctors recommend (and you're saying don't trust the doctors, mind you), even though the people who pay for it actually recommend it because they make more money if you don't get sick.

Even in a full conspiratorial mindset your nonsense is disjointed.

Antivaxers are fucking idiots because they don't have a coherent internal logic for their paranoid woo, they don't have the ability to understand any of the research that's happened, and they don't want to trust the people who do because those people clearly want to hurt them and give them... A developmental disability. For profit somehow.

What about doctors from countries with public healthcare who are... also telling people to get vaccinated?

And this is where we see left-wing wackaloons finding common ground with right-wing wackaloons.

they just never lived in a world where Doctors and Hospitals cared about public health.

Tons of doctors care about public health. Perhaps hospital administrations don't and are only concerned with money, but they are not doctors.

Pharmaceutical companies may be suspect, but it's the same thing: The suits in charge, not the people working to find solutions for people in need.

Ascribing these attitudes towards the people who are actual stewards of public health who are are constantly blocked by an administrative class that is more worried about profits has everything to do with being in a brutal capitalist society and almost nothing to do with "doctors who don't care about public health."

The people who come to conclusions that they can't trust those in the medical field at all are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and have no ability to parse the nuance of such a situation.

I'm not saying all doctors are perfect, I have had some shitty doctors in my life. But by and large I've had more who were concerned with my health enough to help me than I have had those who simply don't care what happens to me.

True-ish :)

Wakefield went after the MMR vaccine. The whole (separate) mercury thing was started in the US and later perpetuated by people like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey among others.

It’s not a valid stance. It actively undermines the effectiveness of vaccines when people choose not to get them. It’s a feedback loop that actively makes the world a worse place to be and increases the chance of premature death for thousands if not millions. It is selfish and they’re lying to themselves to feel better about it by saying such nonsense.

That stance is stupid as fuck. Getting a vaccine isn't putting others first. It protects you and happens to have an extra benefit of protecting others as a treat.

Well, aside from the boring "routine expression of a spectrum of neurodivergent traits being better understood leading to increased ability to properly diagnose it, and increased awareness and support in the public education system allowing more teachers to see early indicators and advise medical consultation early so kids can get better support".

They used to just call mildly autistic people geeks and best them with rulers. Now they let them wear headphones to reduce distractions if they need it.