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[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

I mean, I hate BlueSky too, but I think the reason it's more popular than Mastodon is that it's more centralized and in practical terms that means it's easier to adopt and engage with.

The biggest headache I have with Mastodon (and Lemmy, to a lesser extent) is defederation. I understand it's the most practical thing to do sometimes, but it's waaay overdone. Like, there needs to be a culture of only defederating as a last resort due to pratical concerns (e.g. bots I guess). Unfortunately the current culture is one where many instance admins treat defederation as a personal blocklist. I wish more admins would leave it to individual users to decide who to allow or not.

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

When I first got a Bluesky account, back when it was invite-only a whole bunch of the Physicists and Astronomers I used to follow on Twitter were already there. If anything it seemed like scientists were early adopters.

[-] Mars2k21@sh.itjust.works 49 points 15 hours ago

Going to play devil's advocate here.

Bluesky is just...better than any Fediverse microblogging platform. In terms of UI, discoverability, and keeping a balance of users in the community.

Mastodon sucks for regular people. And none of the other better platforms like Firefish ever gain enough steam to beat Mastodon because of existing issues in the structure of the Fediverse and ActivityPub (this also includes Mastodon itself to an extent).

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago

Mastodon is great.

The only reason why it doesn't get as much traction is because it doesn't manipulate your dopamine and serotonin receptors like other networks do with their black box algorithms that are designed to steal as much of your attention as possible, while almost certainly throwing you into an unhealthy filterbubble/echochamber.

[-] oni@lemm.ee 6 points 10 hours ago

what are those?

existing issues in the structure of the Fediverse and ActivityPub

[-] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

The other issue is, nobody is trying to take on Facebook. Not really anything in the FLOSS community like it.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I believe you've hit the nail on the head, the only people I've noticed that really want such a social media account are generally people who were older than millennial, out of Millennials, gen Z and gen A, I don't really see much interest in a social media account that is directly linked to your actual identity. Most of them are more interested in a pseuado-anonymous style account that only asks for a username and doesn't actually link you to a real world identity.

Facebook was great in principle, it was intended as like a college student community and evolved from there, it was never meant to fill the goal of what the platform is doing today.

As such as Facebook deteriorates, there isn't a huge demand for a Facebook alternative, because the people who are leaving the platform aren't actively seeking to replace what is lost.

[-] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago

There's a couple contenders but they're not very good. I think most FOSS people don't WANT a facebook alternative; they'd prefer to keep their IRL identity separate from the internet. And the people who don't care also don't care enough to want to go federated.

There's spacehey as a myspace alternative though. That's pretty neat but it's full of teenagers unfortunately.

[-] gheesh@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Friendica aims at that. I'm not sure about the results as I haven't tried it.

[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

It still needs polish, but the biggest deficit is lack of adoption.

Platforms like Twitter encourage casual breaks between public and private space, but Facebook-like platforms are better for passively extending existing friendship circles. Or so it seems to me.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, honestly Friendica has been around for ages at this point and I assume is pretty damn mature in terms of most features.... what is exactly missing here that it isn't even worth mentioning by name when talking about replacing Facebook?

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Would be better if it was Mastodon, but I suppose I shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good, and good riddance to Twitter, indeed.

[-] Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Same here, well said. Bluesky’s not perfect, at least it’s not Twitter. I wish more people would use it though

[-] shininghero@pawb.social 7 points 14 hours ago

While there has been some onboarding QOL stuff for mastodon, Bluesky still has them beat on that.

The "People" segment in the explore menu is a nice start, but it's still dependent on the users picking a server that somewhat matches their interests.

[-] grepe@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

thing is lot of that is on purpose. mastodon and fediverse are more of an attempt to come back to the state where there is no algorithm picking for you... but too many people nowdays are simply too lazy to search and actively choose what they want to see.

what we really need is to separate content (keep that in fediverse) and content access and presentation (the interface people use to access the content). if you want a bot feeding you content whole day and for your internet to become a tv you nobody can stop you. but if you want to think amd search nobody should stop you either

[-] sircac@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

I would prefer any ActivityPub instance, but press media (and in general private entities), to which scientific institutes intend diffusion, is moving to bluesky...

[-] lemmus@szmer.info 17 points 14 hours ago

The thing is, bluesky is just old twitter, it will become X eventually...Bluesky sucks, but jessus, mastodon sucks in terms of usability. Its only for technical people and experience on mastodon is fatal compared to bluesky, sad that mastodon won't take over, as it could...at least bluesky is not bad YET.

[-] pls@lemmy.plaureano.nohost.me 10 points 15 hours ago

I have no clue on the reasons people like Bluesky (or threads). None at all.

[-] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Bluesky has a lot more normies on it while mastodon is mostly early-adopter types. Mastodon, in my experience, is either very technical people (software engineers and other tech people) or very political people. Bluesky has normal people on it

I checked out threads for a day and I liked it because the algorithm wasn't jamming a bunch of outrage content down my throat but that's the only thing I can say about it. Haven't used it since then (deleted my entire meta account)

[-] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 7 points 15 hours ago

Took me like a day on bluesky to find all the funny people. Never saw any funny people on mastodon. :-(

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 14 hours ago

The comedians don't use it. Why would they, there isn't that much of an audience there. Also I don't think there's even particularly political people on it for pretty much the same reason. All of the political commentators I follow either post on bluesky or post on both platforms, somewhat eliminating the need for Masterdon at all (assuming that's the kind of content you want to follow).

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[-] DSTGU@sopuli.xyz 19 points 18 hours ago

First time seeing HTTP code 451

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago

https://http.cat/status/451

because I needed an explanation of what that means, and I wanted it to be cute and funny.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 15 hours ago

"Sorry, it's literally impossible for us not to sell your data!"

[-] Genius@lemmy.zip 28 points 19 hours ago

There's no excuse for using Xittter in 2025.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 110 points 1 day ago

Non-EU folk - this website won’t open in EU because they don’t want to follow our local user privacy protections. What they’re going to do with your data? Who knows.

[-] androidul@lemmy.ml 23 points 23 hours ago

man that is so cheeky of them!

Instead of abiding with the law, they just chose to block content altogether 🥲

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 30 points 1 day ago

Archive

But yeah, you're 100% right.

[-] Avia_Vik@jlai.lu 39 points 1 day ago

Why switch to BlueSky if you have Mastodon...

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Cause the name is hard to remember.. I was trying to yesterday and the closest I could get is megatron and megalodon

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[-] rosco385@lemm.ee 19 points 23 hours ago

In a word, audience. I'd prefer it if everyone went with Mastodon, but the audience on BlueSky is orders of magnitude bigger. I cross post to both, but only because I don't trust BlueSky not to do exactly what Twitter and Meta have done eventually.

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 127 points 1 day ago

Good. Sucks that it took open fascism to get that to happen, but at least it happened.

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[-] smeg@infosec.pub 49 points 1 day ago

How many times can people keep making the same mistake without us concluding they're stupid? Closed corporate social networks ALWAYS go to shit. Enshitification is inevitable. And you'll have the sunk cost fallacy stopping them from leaving, until they all finally get fed up and switch again. Own your network - stop swapping.

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[-] hulfpa@lemmy.ml 91 points 1 day ago

Why are they selecting BlueSky over the Fediverse?

[-] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago

Because the Fediverse is a mess with atrocious UX. Choose the wrong server and you might find you are cut off from a large chunk of it because a mastodon.art mod didn’t like something that happened on your instance and servers copy blocklist from each other (not a theoretical example, mind you, something I learned a few months into being on one particular instance.).

Servers can have all sorts of rules you will have to carefully study or risk getting banned (some for example will only allow images with descriptions being shared, this includes boosts.)

In short, the amount of work expected to participate is just - never - going to draw in the average user.

[-] Krompus@lemmy.world 142 points 1 day ago

BlueSky is specifically designed as a drop-in Twitter replacement, it’s an easy transition, and tons of Twitter users have been advertising it for a long time. The Fediverse is comparatively obscure.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago

also mainstream professionals are going to bluesky, like press and corp PR. big step towards critical mass.

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[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I would assume the same reason anyone chooses it over the fediverse, because they want their content to be easily discoverable.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 day ago

The Fediverse experience starts with an unanswerable question: what server do you want to be on?

Most people will not have any way to answer that without knowing what the downstream impact will be. Mastodon people are working on smoothing that down, but it's still a pretty fraught question. And if half a given community ends up on one server and half on another, they get fragmented and conversations and followers fizzle out.

Bluesky wants to tell people they're not a single-node lock-in to avoid the Twitter effect, but it turns out that's their key advantage.

The only thing that will guarantee they don't end up like Twitter is if they revamp their corporate governance mechanisms, but they had to take VC money and haven't come up with a long-term revenue model, so it's not clear how they can avoid it.

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago

See you can be a really good scientist and not smart at the same time. Move to mastodon.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

Cool. I'm going out on a limb and saying Bluesky seems pretty based so far. I made an account when it was announced, and it's pretty cool. Nice app, seemingly good mission statement.

I don't want to dismiss something until it actually turns to shit. If it's good now, I'll use it now. When it turns to crap, I'll just jump off. I'll always have Lemmy and Mastodon as my mains, so I don't see the harm personally. 🤷‍♂️ Let's just hope it'll last for the scientists' sake.

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