Dude does not understand how german elections work lmao. Nobody won that election, the conservatives got 28% of the vote. There will be at least a 3 party coalition and things could become pretty complicated.
I'm not usually one to agree with trump, but doubling your representation in a single election is a win. An incredibly concerning win, in this case. It bodes poorly.
The "conservative party" is the CDU/CSU, and even though they won, they just had their second worst result since the 1950s.
thank you, this makes me feel better
It shouldn't. They did so poorly because 10% of the German electorate shifted even farther to the far right AfD, and another 10% had already done so in previous elections.
While in this case, Trump clearly speaks about the party with the largest share, i.e. CxU — it would too make sense for Trump to call Afd "conservatives." Because that's the fun equivalence US Republicans use, as even they don't seem to want to identify as "regressives".
It's a win for the party, but a win for the party is different from winning the election.
In the last Australian federal election, the Greens quadrupled their number of seats. It was absolutely a huge win for the Greens. But going from 0.7% of seats to 2.6% cannot mean you "won" the election. (Also...wow...that shows just how gross single winner elections are. Even with preferential voting. When a party that consistently gets over 10% of the votes is able to win less than 3% of seats and call that a huge win. Proportional systems like Germany's MMP are amazing!)
Whether you want to say the CDU/CSU "won" the German election, IMO, depends less on how their vote changed relative to the last election, and more on whether you want to say the party that ends up selecting the Chancellor "won" an election, even if they need to go into a three party coalition. My personal take is that yes, it's not unreasonable to say they won.
The (almost extremist) "conservatives" gained like 3 percent points or something since the last election. Plus, they have been in the government for like 80% of the time since WW2. Trump is soooo anti establishment but these guys ARE the most establishment anyone in Germany could be. They are not the solution to people’s problems, they are the ones who caused many of the problems in Germany.
AfD (Conservatives Trump was looking for) doubled their vote, but won't be part of government. Party with the most votes went from 23% to 28%.
can you explain your reasoning here?
The context comment makes much more sense, that this is not a conservative win, and Trump is too dumb to realize that that.
Imagine that your place of work, a sizable but far from monopolistic company, suddenly finds itself with twice the clientele. You now service 20% of the market where before you serviced only 10. How might your boss describe that situation? Because mine would call it a win, with very little coaxing.
They didnt double. Olaf Scholz wasnt elected because he was liked. He and SPD last time got the most votes because media slammed against greens, and the CDU/CSU lies and corruption was layed open. Now people forgot who governed the most time and voted union again
Since FDP and BSW didnt make it into the parliament SPD, CDU should be able to form a coalition. Only Problem, the SPD Chancellor candidate announced they dont want to coalate with the CDU. We may see the same Situation as in Austria.
Scholz only said that he personality doesn't want to do the coalition talks. Someone else from the SPD will do them.
Who is the “GENTLEMAN NAMED DONALD J. TRUMP”? I know of no such person. I know who Donald J. Trump is, but he is most certainly not a “gentleman” by any definition I’m familiar with.
The AfD is only second strongest party. Also, no matter what anyone says. The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
I'm fairly far left but the strong LINKE might actually fuck us over pretty hard. They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD in a time where increased national and European security might just be our most existential issue.
Because the right-wing CDU/CSU has won and the right-wing AfD is right behind it?
These are the fruits of 16 years of Merkel with "We can do it".
It started with her migration policy etc. and the attacks increased but only at times when they wanted to overturn laws or introduce new ones.
This moved the population to the right. (We can do it... Making Germany right-wing again < that's how it should have been understood!)
So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters...
Germany gave up its sovereignty yesterday.
Democracy is broken!
The "we can do it" part wasn't the problem, the problem was not backing it up with enough funds for states and municipalities to actually do a proper job. Which is a can of worm of fiscal politics if there ever was one because the reason the states are broke is because the wealth tax got suspended back in 1997. Kohl era shit.
Unfortunately, our projected future chancellor is very similar to Trump in certain aspects, especially rhetorics and spitting bullshit, then being utterly incompetent when asked specifics.
Americans don't know any better, tbh
Trump you arent conservative Also you clearly dont understand how we do governments over here
Like every other narcissist, he makes good news from others all about him. He's so insecure, he can't be anywhere but in the spotlight.
why is there a trump tweet on my all, better block this community
Jokes on him. What he sees as German conservatives is mostly in line with US Democrats. The German version of the Republicans are the AfD, the Nazi party.
What are the typical beliefs of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) / Christian Social Union (CSU)?
Ironically, independence from the US:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-friedrich-merz-urges-independence-from-us/live-71700729
I'm not German and don't have any special insight into German politics, but until someone that knows better comes along I can at least offer that it's Angela Merkel's old party. Unless something has shifted drastically, it's the Germany we've known for most of the past twenty years
Something has shifted quite dramatically. Under Merz, the C*U has shifted to the right, almost copying the extreme right AfD's program in certain points, became very populist. A standstill like during the Merkel years could be a best case scenario atm.
No, the CDU didn't shift, they put someone from a different wing in the top position. I guess the long and short of it that neither Günther or Wüst were interested in a show-off with Merz who had bees up his arse ever after Merkel quit, given that she previously ousted him from the candidacy position. They're both perfectly comfortable ruling their respective states, why bother, if Merz goes too far for their liking they're still in a position to but brakes on that.
Like, the CDU polls at around 40% in SH state elections, while the federal result is 27.6%. Everyone knows the CDU left wing has more pull than the right, they're letting Merz be Merz.
True, but Merz is far More right than Merkel was, especially, when speaking of women and immigrants.
Also Merkel got a lot more percent oft the public vote (that counts here - wie do not habe the winner takes it all). Merz got the second worst result of his Party in history and will need to make a coalition with maybe even 2 other parties.
Merz re-iterating the "no AfD coalition" statement has reassured me somewhat. If they need two other parties that's probably even better, because it doesn't seem like any of the other major players would tolerate being in an AfD coalition
Yea people think he means CDU but given he is literally a fascist demented grandpa it is more likely that he is either confusing CDU with AfD or thinks that AfD has won because of all the ruckus going on
Uhh... it's he president of Germany, now, too? /s, obvi
Yeah, "so many years", a whole 3.25 of them. Before that was Merkels forth cabinet, in the same party with the same coalition we're likely to see again now.
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