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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

Despite the 22nd Amendment barring a third term (“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice”), Trump continues to suggest he could run again, raising the idea at a Black History Month event and with Republican governors.

Legal experts say the Constitution is clear that he cannot run, though some supporters, including Rep. Andy Ogles and Steve Bannon, are pushing for a constitutional amendment or a 2028 campaign.

Meanwhile, Trump has expanded executive authority in his second term, drawing criticism for undermining congressional checks.

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[-] Pondis@lemmy.world 204 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

To be fair he wasn't supposed to run for a second term as a convicted felon, but he managed that.

I'd like to say I'd be surprised if he could win another election as his popularity plummets, but the US voters have proven themselves to be stupid and/or lazy.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 129 points 4 months ago

Being a convicted felon does not disqualify you from running for president, or from being elected to the office.

Fomenting insurrection does, but that got waved away "because reasons".

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because Merrick Garland is a bitch. Also more stuff.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 54 points 4 months ago

Nah, Colorado was handling it appropriately, then SCOTUS stepped in and told a state that they're not allowed to administer elections in their state.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Because Biden appointed a bitch instead of someone who would actually do their goddamn job.

[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

As convicted felon you can't run for position of burger flipper at McDonalds, but you can become a president...

[-] Fredthefishlord 16 points 4 months ago

I mean the reason why someone shouldn't be barred for office based on a conviction is obvious

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

I wouldn’t be surprised. He promised an end of elections and voting. This is what his voters wanted.

[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Take the good with the bad, if we have to re-do the voting system I say we move towards a more popular-voting system and get rid of the electoral collage, it’s time to shake up the gerrymandering of districts in favor of GOP Senators/Congress.

Time for an overhaul!

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

I think he's aiming more to become an emperor. That said, I like the positive outlook! If he fucking ruins everything, there's always room for the Americans to build something better in the mess he leaves.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. The abject destruction of all aspects of law and government being carried out by Trump/Musk right now is, objectively, a bad thing that's going to hurt a lot of people very badly. But once their system inevitably completely collapses, I think a lot of Americans are going to be open to new ideas of governance.

Previously, we could all see problems in our systems but the path to actually getting them solved involved generations of focused political maneuvering to actually stand a chance of putting them in place. Take federal adoption of ranked choice voting as an example. Many people would say they were in favor of that but we all knew it had a snowball's chance in hell of ever actually happening because of how our system of governance was set up. I fully expected we'd just coast along with FPTP voting until we're all dead from climate catastrophe.

But now, we're actually looking at a potential full scale, whole hog destruction of the foundations of American government. Whoever inherits it afterward - and someone will, this reign won't last forever, it's incapable of sustaining itself even if we all just left them alone - has the potential for nearly a ground-up rewrite of some fundamental assumptions of American government. We're talking about changing the baseline voting systems, changing eligibility for office for many roles, even fundamentally changing the way our representation is appointed (such as by population size instead of by land, for instance - one rep for every, say, 500,000 citizens, not two reps per state regardless of population) and so on.

Rising from our own ashes may just end up being one of the best things to ever happen to America, in a historical context. Inevitably, no matter how this farce ends up resolving, we will have an opportunity for this afterward. Trump, in his bumbling fury, has swept away decades worth of red tape and inertia that we otherwise would have had to struggle through to make this happen, and in addition has galvanized a lot of latent anger with the system within the citizens. We will have a real chance to turn that into something constructive after all this finishes in whatever way it does.

That's my light at the end of the tunnel for all this, and in a weird way, I guess I have Trump to thank for this. His signature style of completely ignoring norms and regulations means that he can blast through a ton of bullshit while being completely immune to the feedback, and we can just build it all up again from scratch later in a term or two instead of taking six decades to effect gradual change.

Previously I would have called this accelerationism and maybe condemned it, but we're in the shit now, so may as well get it over with I guess. He's already throwing all his toys out of the crib no matter what I say about it so I'm no longer ashamed about cheering for it. America has had a deep sickness in its government for a very long time and maybe now we can excise it. We're losing a lot of healthy tissue alongside it, and that's bad, but it's not likely to kill us altogether. We'll grow back stronger.

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[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Emperor Trump, a man who cannot be trusted to run a charity in the state of New York….

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

That, and we have that stupid Electoral College. Oh, and lots and lots of fuckery from the Republican apparatchiks when it comes to running our elections.

He wasn't technically a convicted felon until sentencing, and IANAL, I think that falls under shit no one thought would ever happen.

[-] shani66@ani.social 10 points 4 months ago

Being an insurrectionist is a guilty until proven innocent thing as far as the constitution goes iirc. At least in regards to holding office.

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[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 55 points 4 months ago

Yeah well, the Constitution says a lot of things. However, it’s fairly clear a large segment of the American population doesn’t care what the Constitution says as long as it’s their team in power.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago

Who's gonna stop him from running for or taking office for a third time? The Democrats? Are they gonna write a strongly worded letter? The Supreme Court? Do they have anyone with guns who will listen to them?

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

He'll be SLaMmeD in that strongly worded letter, they'll pat themselves on the back for a job well done, then run another candidate without a primary.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago

I have to say, it would be extremely funny if they changed the constitution and then Trump lost to Obama

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

No its so much more fucked than that. It's literally god emperor language.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-third-term-constitutional-amendment-andy-ogles-2025020

The wording of Ogles' amendment proposal suggests that previous consecutive two-term presidents, such as Barack Obama or George W. Bush, would not be allowed to run for a third term.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Funnily enough, the same thing happened with Putin in Russia

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[-] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 months ago

It says elected. He has no intention of having another election.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 39 points 4 months ago

Criminals aren't allowed to run for president either. Here we are.

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

According to the Supreme Court of the United States of America, Jefferson Davis and General Robert E. Lee are both eligible for the office of the United States of America (if they were still alive at least).

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Of course criminals are allowed to run for president

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[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago

Any time Trump jokes, it's the camel's nose under the tent.

[-] Wetstew@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I've never heard that phrase before that's an excellent phrase.

[-] tronx4002@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Can you enlighten me? I don't understand the phrase.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Camels, much like dogs, cats, and other domesticated animals, are constantly pushing their boundaries. The phrase "a camel's nose under the tent" is indicative of a camel that is attempting to find a way inside the tent so that they may eat the, most likely, food that has captured their attention with its scent.

This would be applicable to the Drumpf administration because they are, much like the camel, using a method of "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks," as well as a method of overwhelming the media with birdshot. Namely, if you're creating 50 stories a day, and doing 50 things a day, then the media and the government can't keep up.

Again similar to our camel that has enough strength to tip the tent over, and create a royal mess, in its attempt to get in.

Edit: First time I have heard the phrase as well,.but that is the meaning I would take from context.

[-] Wetstew@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

I looked it up when I saw it, it seems like it comes from a fable with a similar moral to "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"

A camel sticks his nose under the edge of a tent for warmth, it's owner (or a stranger w/e) allows it to out of kindness. Then the camel slowly worms it's entire body in the tent and refuses to budge.

It's a slippery slope parable.

In a sane society Trump should be in prison.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 23 points 4 months ago

Barred? By whom? Really, when will the states wake up and figure out there is no "adult" in the wings that will enforce norms.

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

There is absolutely nothing barring Trump from running for a third term.

The Supreme Court literally just hand-waved away another Constitutional amendment that should have barred Trump from running for a 2nd term, let alone a third. And they basically did it on the legal precedent of "because fuck you, that's why." All 3 branches of government have completely ignored the blatant constitutional violations he's committed since taking office. There's absolutely nothing stopping the Supreme Court from just striking down another constitutional amendment because hey why not and letting the guy run as often as he wants.

And remember, we even had one state legislator asking why we even have elections instead of just handing the votes to Trump......

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[-] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

It says, elected more than twice. Who says there's going to be an election?

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

That's what I was thinking. Does anyone remember leading up to him taking over in '17 they were talking about how Obama was going to institute martial law and just stay in the Whitehouse without being elected?

They haven't tried that one yet but they sure floated that someone else was going to do it.

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[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

The Republican Third Term Project is pushing this hard. They're at CPAC drumming up support. I think the language is only specific to Trump though, so no other past president would be able to run again. It's something like a president that has not served 2 consecutive terms.

Also, Trump doesn't care about the constitution and neither do just about every GOP in office. They may say publicly that he can't do it or whatever, but if it comes down to it, they would vote for it.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

It is unlikely that the constitution will be amended. Democrats still (and will always) hold roughly 50% of seats in the Congress. So any proposal to amendment will not pass. However, there is a possibility of coup if Trump does not want to step down.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They just illegally fired, and replaced the joint chiefs. What makes you think they aren't going to arrest and replace all the democratic representatives and senators?

We're already past The Reichstag Fire

He will be trying to make The Fediverse illegal in the US within the next 6 months.

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[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 months ago

He really is sort of pathetic.

It's weird and oddly discouraging. It seems like the individual most responsible for the oncoming collapse of the United States should be some sort of supervillain, but he's really just a desperately insecure and over-compensating wad of hair, bronzer and congealed fat with the emotional maturity of a spoiled three-year-old.

And meanwhile, his wannabe Rasputin sidekick is a desperately insecure and over-compensating middle-aged chuunibyou who's still trying, and pathetically failing, to be the edgiest 13-year-old, and to not think about the fact that everyone who knows him thinks he's an asshole.

As if it's not already bad enough to watch as the US is systematically destroyed, we have to watch as it's systematically destroyed by people who are so pathetic and creepy.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

The US is right in a coup. Who knows what will be legal or illegal after that.

[-] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

On November 2028, he'll be older than Joe Biden is now.

But yeah, I can see him enter the 2028 GOP primaries, win the nomination, maybe beat Harris again, and serve as acting President while SCOTUS allows it.

[-] Rutty@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

you think they’ll repeal the 22nd amendment and we’d see Harris? Please it’d be Obama v Trump

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Obama would easily win which is why all the bills have been worded to exclude him.

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[-] robbinhood@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I'd be shocked if he's actually in good enough physical health to run again.

Sadly, I think Vance and his ilk might actually be a graver threat and Trump leaving the picture affords them an opportunity to rise up. The corporate cyberpunk dystopias they're dreaming of are terrifying.

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Statistically he would have died of natural causes or heart disease or something by then, right? He’s old as fuck and eats like shit.

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

They might stir up a war for a third term.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

operative krasnov wants a war so he can start up his national police and declare martial law. and he'll do it all just for the bump in the fucking polls for being a 'war president'.

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