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A European Parliament member claimed that the U.S. gave Europe three weeks to agree on Ukraine's "surrender" terms or risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Mika Aaltola made the claim on X, but provided no evidence. NBC News reported that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suggested a U.S. troop reduction in Europe.

Trump reportedly plans to cut 20,000 troops and demand greater NATO contributions. He has pushed for higher NATO defense spending.

Trump may meet with Putin soon, believing Russia holds the upper hand in negotiations.

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[-] ploot 184 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.

"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.

Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.

And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.

[-] Kallioapina@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago

To be fair, Mika Aaltola is known in Finland as a noted populist and doomsayer that has a flair for the dramatic. His foreign policy predictions have also been pretty much all wrong since before the start of war in Ukraine.

I'd take anything he says or leaks with a big spoon of salt.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 151 points 2 months ago

Russia is losing in Ukraine but some how in the Orange Turds mind Russia is wining. Russia has the upper hand with their Puppet in the USA.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 129 points 2 months ago

No no, he doesn't think that Russia is winning, he wants Russia to win.

[-] Dragomus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

He needs Russia to win...

Because Putin demands it of him to force it that way.

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[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

It would set a good precedent for his plans with Canada and Greenland.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Russia has the upper hand in Trump's ass.

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[-] khannie@lemmy.world 115 points 2 months ago

I mean, we've all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.

Jog on.

Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They're looking at how you're throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking "Oh hell yes".

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 months ago

I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China's supply chain. And Russia proved it's a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.

I mean, if Trump actually secures China's supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There's nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China's production capacity, Jesus fuck that's terrifying.

The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.

[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

I kinda doubt China wants to share things with the US. That and I doubt Putin wants the China to be stronger either. I think China would be cool not stepping in the way of the US and Russia so long as they see some opportunities for themselves.

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[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

It's about whether US will do the same throw under the bus routine with Taiwan I think. China would love to know that the US won't seriously contest an attempt to invade their neighbor across the strait

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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
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[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 90 points 2 months ago

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Why is this a threat? Is there a reason Europe would want a hostile country to remain there?

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 24 points 2 months ago

Yeah. We need to prepare to defend Greenland from the US. Having 100.000 enemy troops stationed all over the continent who need to be contained first makes it practically impossible.

And now the mask is finally peeling off. The US bases around the world are not their to defend the countries they are in. They are there to defend the US interests. This should be obvious to anyone, who can read just a little bit of history, but better late than never.

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[-] leadore@lemmy.world 78 points 2 months ago

Fuck him. First, he'll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he'll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the "deals" that he's made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he'll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won't.

Don't ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he'll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, "Sorry, we don't agree. If that means you'll withdraw, then don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out." Bam! End of bullying and if he didn't want to withdraw, he'll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).

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[-] blakenong@lemmings.world 75 points 2 months ago

Any American willing to fight Europe is a piece of shit, especially if it’s your job.

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[-] Goldholz 64 points 2 months ago

Do it! I dare you! Fuck of from europe! Take all your companies with you! Dont sell us weapons anymore!

Democracie is none negotiatable and we dont negotiate with terrorist acomplices!

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 months ago

Call his bluff.

American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Military bases and soldiers are the opposite of soft power

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[-] Skua@kbin.earth 46 points 2 months ago

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Do it, coward

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.

[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. "Biden did this with the Democrats!" He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

They can lie all they want. No trade means inflation. Inflation means markets crashing. It can't be stopped without spreading wealth oligarchs don't want to share with those in need. When people starve, they will murder rampantly to stay alive.

Most of the rich are smart enough to know they only stay rich if the people stay peaceful and mildly satiated. You don't want to lock yourself in with 250,000,000 starving people with guns.

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

Come on CIA, you've assassinated leaders for much less.

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

Only to protect the interests of capital though. If you're a popular black guy talking about economic distribution then you're cooked, but increasing the wealth from the middle-class to the rich and killing the opposition is what the CIA is for.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Yeah, well we didn't vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.

[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure they didn't vote for him either.

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[-] twelvegoats@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago

Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.

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[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You can count on Hungary and maybe Slovakia to grovel...like good america/russia first Europeans.

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[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?

The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.

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[-] Goldholz 32 points 2 months ago

Even if we were to agree to those demands, there is no garantie they would actually help in defense of us!

We had to defend them when they called articel 5 but wont do the same for us!

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I really hope the rest of the world leaders keep this at the forefront of their mind: Trump doesn't keep his word. Also, Trump doesn't pay his debts.

Attempting to make ANY deal with him is foolish. The wisest move is to expect him to screw over anyone who attempts to "work with" him, because unless you're holding his purse strings, he'll use you and lose you at his soonest opportunity. He is a cancer cell stealing resources from all the healthy cells around him - expect him to give nothing and take everything for his own gain.

I know to some that is "preaching to the choir," but living in the U.S. at a time like this, I really don't know who's been charmed by his BS vs who can see what's really going on. I imagine those outside the U.S. have better perspective, but I can't just expect people to be rational anymore.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.

[-] Goldholz 12 points 2 months ago

Nah. Keep them closed forever. We dont need the traitor alliance

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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Some notes:

  • this is not confirmed, but seems credible enough to speculate about

  • regardless of veracity, European defense readiness needs a big boost, and people are working on the instruments that would allow giving that boost

  • another source says that Trump is planning cuts in the US armed forces, to the tune of 8% per year [sources that add "for multiple years" remain hearsay for me]

  • around January 20, I saw a table circulating on social media, describing Trump's intended cuts, and that table did drop about 21 brigades and paused the development of various capabilities (edit: found it)

  • so apparently, the Trump administration intends to lower its defense readiness no matter what, believing it has too much

On this background, not much point negotiating with him. He is framing as an ultimatum what he intends to do anyway. No point getting delayed either.

Just get the framework agreed upon, and quickly start supplying Ukraine with fresh stuff. Ukrainians aren't newbies, for now they have accumulated some small reserves (they knew what to expect under Trump, and Biden's administration pushed the last remains of its assistance out like there was no tomorrow)... but arrival of European assistance must start rapidly increasing within a window of 2..3 months.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Trump is gambling with monopoly money.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 21 points 2 months ago

Art of the deal. Plan A is to give three weeks to sign off on the surrender. When they refuse, Plan B starts. Plan B is that there is no Plan B.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago
[-] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 15 points 2 months ago

Also known as "pig hitler"

[-] Iceman@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.

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[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Or... Trump can pull the us military out of Europe, Canada joins the EU, and we seize American and russian assets to build a truly massive army.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Is that recent picture?

Dude may not have three weeks.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This sounds like a blessing in a very thin disguise.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago
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