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Europe and Ukraine are learning how little the U.S. cares, as the new president aligns himself with their greatest enemy.

The thing about a war is it forces people to pick a side. And Donald Trump, it seems to many in Europe, is siding with Vladimir Putin. 

Seven days of presidential interventions in the Russia-Ukraine conflict have made real the nightmares of Ukrainians and many of their allies, upending the transatlantic relationship that has underpinned European security since 1945.

If there were any lingering doubts about the extent of Trump’s willingness to make enemies in Europe, he ended it Tuesday night when he blamed Ukraine for having “started” the war with Russia. Such blatant defiance of the fact of Putin’s unprovoked invasion three years ago shocked even America’s most loyal friends in the region. 

“Jesus,” one British government official said privately in response to the president’s outburst. 

“We now have an alliance between a Russian president who wants to destroy Europe and an American president who also wants to destroy Europe,” another European diplomat observed in recent days, declining to be identified discussing sensitive matters. “The transatlantic alliance is over.”

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[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 82 points 2 days ago

Going to doubt this one.

Trump is Putin's ally. America is not Trump.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Wrong. America wasn't Trump in 2012. I would even argue America wasn't Trump in 2016. They were dumb, naive, optimistic, victims of thr EC... Pick your excuse. America wasn't Trump in 2020.

Then they saw the insurrection, the nuclear secrets in the bathroom, the 11k votes mafia extortion, the sexual abuse liability, the racism, the criminal convictions, (let alone the whole first presidency dumpster fire) and on the other hand eggs were a bit expensive and they went with trump. En masse.

And now trump has the highest approval ratings, north of 50% even.

That excuse has sailed, America IS trump. Not everyone is, but enough are.

[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 121 points 2 days ago

If America is going to continue to be not Trump, it's going to have to move fast.

With Musk threatening 60 Minutes staffers with prison and Trump taking over the FCC, it's already moving into the official government-controlled media stage, and when (if) significant protests start happening, it's going to quickly move into the gulags and mass graves stage.

And then, for all intents and purposes, the US will be Trump, like it or not.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If America is going to continue to be not Trump, it's going to have to move fast.

So far, their checks & balances have been failing, unfortunately. Something about corruption in DOJ in recent news, leaves me very worried about the last Pillar. I hope the US citizens from both parties make it a democracy again: by the people for the people.

[-] aviationeast@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

I hope the American people abandon both parties.

[-] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

That’s what has to happen in order to recover from what trump is doing to this country.

[-] Resand@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago

They did elect Trump to speak and act on their behalf tho

[-] runeko@programming.dev 15 points 2 days ago

Correct. Technically: 22.7% of the total populace voted for Trump. 32.2% of the eligible voters. 49.8% of the cast votes.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Trmps favorability ratings are actually rising. He's about to cross his unfavorability rating and become net favorable.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

Not a good look, America.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago

But Trump is America's government.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

It’s an unstable country that enabled this to happen. Yes, there are a lot of people who would never do this awful shit but, sorry, this is what the US is and largely has been.

Trump is a symptom, it was the institution that is US and many of its people that allowed to get into power. You can’t just pin it on him and then when he eventually(please let it be soon) dies act like anything is fixed. The US is putin’s ally and there are many unfortunate people along for the ride. That is a truth you need to face or nothing will ever get better.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

Trump's friendship with Putin is not fresh news and American voters have not given a shit

In Iran there are also people who love democracy, but I am sorry to say that, just like in America, they are a minority.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Really? That's odd, because he seems to be doing anything he wants right now, and no one is stopping him.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It’s painful to say, but it’s true until Congress or SCOTUS end his consolidated power executive order. Until then, our entire government is complicit.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

america needs to dump trump, and fast. right now, HE 'is' america, and until the rest of america sheds themselves of him and the maga cult, ~~america~~the world is fucked.

[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago

There's enough room on this planet for everyone, which rightly belongs to everyone, yet everyone's at the mercy of a self-entitled few who want it all for themselves. Like, piss off already.

[-] Fredthefishlord 5 points 2 days ago

The planet rightfully belongs to no one. None of us deserve it.

[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I believe it was gifted to us, to sustain us, all of us... but have to agree we no longer deserve it.

[-] Fredthefishlord 7 points 2 days ago

Gifted? Lol we randomly evolved. There's no gift, we just grew from monkeys and because it existed. What kind of religious BS is that

[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

You addressed me, I responded... not to flatter you, but with my honest answer. If that doesn't suit you, by all means carry on chatting with someone else.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, I don't take it friendly when someone responds"the earth is flat" or anti-science posting.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Then access to the Earth's natural resources is our natural right, not a god-given right.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 45 points 2 days ago

Trump has always been Putin’s puppet.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

When Trump couldn't get a loan from US banks in the '90s he took real estate investment funding from Russian oligarchs, he's been in their pocket since the same year Dr Dre released The Chronic and the collapse of the USSR

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago

Even before that. By some accounts, he was already in the pockets of the KGB in 1987.

[-] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Agreed. This is not NEWs

[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

So.. does Europe even get a fighting chance or can Putin just go “Imma nuke whoever moves a finger” and Trump just responds with “sucks to be EU”?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

The UK and France have nukes too. I’m of the opinion that Europe could handle Russia in current state as they’re weak thanks to this war, but that also depends on how much help, either direct or indirect, Trump is willing to give Russia. China too, for that matter.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

China will rather take a good bite out of outer Manchuria, traditional Chinese clay. There's a reason they've been making so much noise about Taiwan and the South China Sea and it is not because they want you to look anywhere else. Might not even want to keep it, would be a nightmare to administer and justify, but having all of Russia east of the Ural turn into a couple of Mongolias would very much be in their favour. Mongolia is open for business and not a headache for them.

And if taking out imperial Russia finally gets them out of their "century of humiliation" stroppiness then I'm all for it. Oh, and Russia falling is of course also more than welcome.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 2 days ago

When peace finally returns, a Trans-Siberian Railway upgraded to Chinese Belt And Road high-speed standards will be an improvement.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The UK ones are in a wierd rental deal where if I remember correctly the us holds at least 1 of the keys

Edit for a link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68357294

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 20 points 2 days ago

The "rental" part of the deal is that we leased the missiles from America and pay an American company to maintain them. Once they're fitted with a warhead (done in Britain) and loaded aboard the sub, though, they can be fired with literally no outside participation. Being a submarine-based deterrent as it is, they kinda have to be able to operate independently from anything on the land, British government included.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I stand corrected. I'm clearly misremembering. It was around 2014 when the subject was last at the fore front of my mind. For some odd reason

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Actually, unofficially, there are more of these kinds. It's a public secret now anyways. Wait, I don't know about the keys though..

Not talking about subs,but the payload.

[-] Resand@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

EU can deal with Russia alone well enough. Assuming US doesn't come in on Russia side of course.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago
[-] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

Agreed. I hope it doesn't take Europe until the Mediterranean is blocked off by US warships to understand the US is neither a friend, nor neutral, in this. "Trade" just doesn't cut it for them anymore, they are going for the land grab.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

They have the economic and military capabilities. It's a lack of courage and genuine desire.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The transatlantic alliance is now Canada-EU, & US-Russia.

It's still trans-atlantic, but .. it's just that "now there are two of them"

( insert meme of those obsidian-colored "aliens" actors )

The only question remaining is .. with Orban IN the EU, & openly enemy of civil-rights & the EU,

AND the EU's countries apparently courting Millei??


( snappy TV jingle, here )

WILL the EU survive as a civil-rights aligned entity,

XOR will it "obey the zeitgeist" & obey the fascist-global-alliance?

Humankind wants to know!

Stay tuned, for next-week's installment in "how much hell can be established on Earth THIS week?(tm)", the global reality-TV program which some hope NONE of us will survive!

( insert jingle here )

/s

_ /\ _

[-] boydster@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

Musk's America. Trump is an impotent CEO, answerable to Chairman of the Board of the USA Elon Musk. At least, that's what it looked like to me in the Hannity interview. And once Musk deposes Trump, things are gonna get darker fast.

Obviously, I hope I'm wrong, this is all speculation, but holy shit this looks ugly.

[-] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

Board of the UZA*

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 2 days ago

Does EM even have an opinion about Russia and Ukraine conflict? I highly doubt it

[-] boydster@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

LOL do you not think there is an extraordinary amount of power, capital, and resources to be gained by inserting himself into the negotiations? Gimme a break. This guy has been broadcasting exactly who he is, it's time people start believing him.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He's been low key rooting for russia, which makes sense as he is a racist oligarch.

[-] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

This is part of the billionaire Network State global plan in the works. They took over the U.S., they want to break up the E.U.’s power, then weaken any country that will stand up to billionaires in any regulatory capacity. The rise of the right has just been a convenient mechanism to enact their power grab. The rich want to weaken all nation state power so they can be untethered by any power to counteract their will.

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 2 days ago

That reminds me the man in the high castle

[-] lil0ps@lemmings.world 2 points 2 days ago

Ukraine was never an ally. They are a customer.,

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