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Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia (www.nbcnews.com)

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[-] Embargo@lemm.ee 311 points 3 days ago

I fuckin' hate this guy.

[-] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 107 points 3 days ago

One day, we WILL wake up to his obituary.

[-] Embargo@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

It's the reason I refresh my feed so often.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago

I just can’t anymore. Sorry guys, I’ve been too sick and can no longer cope.

I pop in once a week so I can say, aloud: ‘Jesus fuck this bastard.’

So here’s my weekly ablution. Dog help us all.

[-] Embargo@lemm.ee 26 points 3 days ago

Take a minute away from this shit for your own mental health. We'll still be here yelling about this fucking dickhead when you return.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

He just had a meeting with Russia, he just listens to th last guy who spoke to him. Zero long term memory

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

He's also been shown to be ridiculously susceptible to flattery and pomp, two things Moscow can provide in spades, with little cost to themselves. He also seemingly genuinely believes, that there is nothing more to politics but raw self-interest and primitive power displays, when there's a reason your edgy teenage friend didn't stumble upon some higher wisdom when claiming that about the world.

[-] FatCrab@lemmy.one 7 points 2 days ago

President Dickhead Dory

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 3 days ago

But what was Ukraine wearing?

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[-] AreaKode@lemmy.world 132 points 3 days ago

After all, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago

The Ministry of Truth can't be wrong.

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago

They've already started their Newspeak.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

It's honestly uncanny. Not the similarities, but that one of the most commonly assigned books in the public school system is so blatantly disregarded.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Russasia has always been our ally.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 130 points 3 days ago

How crazy that Americans aren’t embarrassed by this deadly lie.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 124 points 3 days ago

Nope, I'm incredibly embarrassed and scared

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 36 points 3 days ago

Please consider becoming organized in your local communities, they will be essential in the coming months, and it is the most powerful act we can do to resist.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I’m ashamed to be American.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago

Don't presuppose my embarrassment. I have been embarrassed for as long as I can remember.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 days ago

nearly half, or more than half, depending on the politics of the non voters, are embarrassed by this line

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[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

Those of us that are embarrassed are outnumbered by the selfish idiots who could vote but didn't and the hate-filled who believe his lies.

Without an absolute seismic shift in American media and politics or a very massive and probably vert violent revolution, the county is done for.

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Fuck Russia!

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago

I genuinely hate this asshole with every fiber of my being and I will celebrate the day that he kicks the bucket.

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[-] lorski@sopuli.xyz 60 points 3 days ago

Revisionist history much?

[-] 100@fedia.io 66 points 3 days ago

meanwhile he is threatening allies with invasions

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago

"let's make a deal! you give me all your land and everything in it, and i won't just waltz in and take it!...probably. maybe."

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

I bet Trump will invite Putin for a state visit before the peace has been brokered. Trump will spend hundreds of millions of tax dollars to impress Putin with a ridiculous ceremony. And Trump will gift hundred nuclear warheads to Putin.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

I don't know about the nuclear warheads, but I absolutely believe everything else.

[-] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Putin’s puppet since Helsinki Summit.

[-] Tuuktuuk@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago

Not only from back then. The summit was organized largely because Trump admires Putin so much.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago

Trump, who said last week that he and President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone about ending the war, has made several comments bolstering the Russian president. He said during an interview with Fox News last month that Ukraine should not have fought when it was invaded by Russia.

"When you are famous enough, they just let you do it."

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

He is the king idiot criminal leading a pack of losers.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago

Spoken like a true rapist.

[-] Teal@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Trump is nothing more than a treasonous piece of shit.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Where he’s coming from, based on what I’ve seen, is the assertion that Ukraine was in civil war before the 2022 invasion (basically true), and that the eastern separatists (who were indeed fighting Ukraine’s government) were being killed.

It’s also true that there was corruption, and some democratic backsliding, prior to the invasion (not that the US or Russia have any leg to stand on there).

The kool-aid part is that the separatists were fighting to “free” western Ukraine from the tyrannical govt, and that Russia finally invaded to save and “relieve” these noble citizens who want to be part of Russia. That everyone would vote this way if some elections weren’t suspended. This conveniently leaves out the first Russian invasion, propaganda efforts and so much more.

This is why Ukraine “started it.” They just kept attacking these rebels and forced Russia to intervene… I guess. On Putin’s side, it ties into the idea of an oppressed population yearning to be one with Russia again.

…What I am getting at is, with the MASSIVE intelligence apparatus at his disposal, Trump is guzzling this kool aid. He’s not a two faced dictator, he believes the propaganda and has swallowed the hook.

I think that is even scarier than a real “dictator.” Even if you buy into the whole “America First” philosophy (which has some merits at least), it means Trump can make monumentally bad decisions that don’t follow this mandate or even benefit him, as his view is totally warped.

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 days ago

Didn't Russia use this tactic to annex part of Georgia's territory back in 2008?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

IIRC yes.

It would have worked again if the second invasion hadn’t trended so much, encouraging other countries to intervene, and if Ukraine itself hadn’t put up such a staunch, united resistance.

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[-] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago

Stop invading yourself, stop invading yourself.

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

When I woke up this morning I saw the headline and I thought "here we go again". I watched the video and my impression is that he said that sentence in his classic dementia rambling, right after it he said "he should have ended it".

Basically he was blaming Zelensky for not having negotiated right away and Biden for not having pushed for it.

Not sure if this makes it any better, but at least I got the impression he mispoke saying that particular thing.