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Not really "powertripping". Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org... I've unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can't dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930's "tolerating" fascism, and the Nazi's killed over 100 million people. Don't make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 103 points 1 month ago

Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org… I’ve unsubbed and blocked the instance.

... but that looks like a mod/comm ban, not an admin/instance ban?

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[-] MissGutsy 80 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

feddit.org is a German hosted instance that has to abide by the German law. By that law, your comment falls into a grey-zone of legality. As much as I agree with you, they were right in removing your comment, as they are legally obligated to. They could get into trouble if they don't.

To quote the feddit.org sidebar:

Content that is illegal in Germany, Austria or Switzerland will be deleted and can lead to an immediate ban of the account.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Can you quote an article of German law forbidding calling nazis (or any other violent political group) pieces of shit?

It is a genuine question - I am not familiar with German law.

[-] MissGutsy 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not that directly, but saying they have "zero worth" might be against GG Article 1

Human dignity is inviolable

Pretty sure dehumanizing can be prosecuted under this, even if its rather tame. Also there have been some laws over the last few years that criminalize violent speech on the internet and that give people the ability to report comments directly to agencies. These might make it quite dangerous for the instance to keep up these comments.

I assure you, German leftist often say way more intense stuff on a daily basis, but not on publicly hosted servers

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nothing easier than that: Art 130 StGB

Anyone who, in a manner likely to disturb the public peace,
1.
incites hatred against a national, racial, religious or ethnic group, against sections of the population or against an individual because of their membership of a designated group or a section of the population, incites violence or arbitrary measures, or
2.
attacks the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously denigrating or slandering a designated group, parts of the population or an individual because of their membership of a designated group or part of the population,

The Post was in A Manner to disturb the public by being a public post. It attacks the human dignity by dehumanising a group based on their world view. Under current German law this is incitement to people.

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 month ago

This seems like a 50:50 type scenario. I personally wouldn't bother with moderation unless someone complained, but a good faith arguement can be made that you were breaking the rules.

While the current US adminstration is arguably somewhere between proto-fascist and fully fascist (there is lots more room for democratic and human rights backsliding), I can see how dehumanisation can be seen as a legitimate moderation reason for your comments.

[-] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They seem to only have a rule against dehumanisation of minorities, where the term is pretty clearly intended to mean minorities generally subject to persecution/bigotry:

4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.

I feel the ban is a bit over the top, anyway. I get the post being removed for being a bit too aggressive, but to immediately ban over (what I presume) is a first offence... I'd simply give a warning myself.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Saying "nazi lives don't matter" isn't even "dehumanizing".

Dehumanization is Trump calling immigrants rapists and criminals, and associating them with insects, rodents, and pests.

Dehumanization is banning every government department from acknowledging the existence of women, LGBTQ+, minorities, etc, and ordering them to erase any mention of their history.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

Agreed regarding Trump and dehumanization. I am Ukrainian, so you can imagine what I think of Trump, his goons and even those who support Trump (Americans or otherwise).

I am almost arguing from a devil's advocate point of view.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the mods at a high level support your views (in a different more nuanced phrasing), but you do have to have a modicum of fairness when approaching a rule like "no dehumanization". The style/tone of your comment did conflict with the rules, that's all I am saying.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're not gonna see this as you blocked feddit.org, also geh dahin wo der Pfeffer wächst!

For everyone else:

Saying "nazi lives don't matter" isn't even "dehumanizing".

Doubtful from a legal point of view

Dehumanization is Trump calling immigrants rapists and criminals, and associating them with insects, rodents, and pests.

Dehumanization is banning every government department from acknowledging the existence of women, LGBTQ+, minorities, etc, and ordering them to erase any mention of their history.

Basically everyone on feddit.org agrees with this, so this whole rambling doesn't make any sense. Two things can be true at the same time.

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Ban is definitely over the top.

Sometimes less is more with respect to rhetoric (not saying there aren't situations were you have to be clear and uncompromising in your statements).

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago

No, you need to read about the paradox of tolerance.

You have to shut down the Nazis before they shut you down.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

Agreed. You do have to shut down nazis/tankies etc. Zero tolerance policy even.

I am just saying look at it from the mods point of view, they do have to act upon their "no dehumanization" rule or they risk that rule not having any meaning.

Consider a situation where some tankie is ranting about how Trump supporters are capitalist roachs and lack humanity. You don't want that shit in any community.

[-] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Yes, you shut them down. That doesn't require you to dehumanize them. Someone inciting violence against a minority group for example would also be banned I'm sure. The paradox of tolerance is simply solved by limiting the freedom of the intolerant. There are plenty of ways to do that without pretending the offender isn't human. Honestly, resorting to that line of thinking is very much what Nazis do.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not a power tripping Mod just a huge misunderstanding.

Vance, you wanted to label as Nazi and went off a rant, was only mentioned indirectly, so you probably couldn't mean him.

And instead of talking to the Mods you started this post.

[-] sheepy@lemm.ee 48 points 1 month ago

Nazis are shitbags, yes, but like, calm down a bit. Don't stoop down to their level.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

that's not even remotely close to their level.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

It isn't a race to the bottom.

You're not going to win moderate people to your side by labeling them Nazis.

It's a mistake to find the most extreme opinions in a group and use them to label the entire group. Just because outrage and self-righteousness feels good, doesn't mean it's actually accomplishing anything.

The kinds of statements, like in the OP, are just a form of public masturbation. You're just yelling into the void for the pleasure and mental rush.

If your goal is to defeat right-wing nationalists, you need to convince the undecided people and that isn't happening if you're just ranting like a crazy person because your brain is addicted to upvotes and outrage.

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[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago

and this idiot take is how you end up with a Nazi problem

[-] sheepy@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

You don't prevent a Nazi problem by playing their game of hate. It's a game they will always win. By saying shit like that, all you're doing is emboldening the hardliners and giving them ammunition, while reconfirming those doubting their beliefs.

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[-] anzo@programming.dev 44 points 1 month ago

Hi, I happen to be a moderator on that community. I wouldn't have banned you but I won't put my partners' decision under scrutiny if this is a temporal ban. If this ban is permanent, feel free to DM me, I'd like to review what happened here.

PS. Moderating communities is exhausting! And terribly difficult given my account is not on feddit.org

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[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 40 points 1 month ago

Well, yeah. We don’t condone murdering murderers, either.

[-] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

Depends on the murderer. Dexter has great ratings because people do in fact support murder of people who kill and aren't being held accountable, at least in theory.

[-] LaminatedDenim@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

At least in fiction. Big difference.

[-] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Luigi seems to have a lot of support as well. In reality.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago

Classic right wing mindset requiring tolerance of intolerance.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 month ago

From an anarchist/leftist perspective this is a clear case of PTB. But a milquetoast response to fascism is one of the identifying characteristics of liberalism (unfortunately), so I don't think anyone will be surprised about this type of censorship on a mostly liberal server tbh.

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[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My grandad who fought in WW2 used to say to me "You don't speak to Nazis. You shoot Nazis".

I may be less radical than that but I would gladly see all nazis and nazi apologists on compulsory re-education courses or in prisons.

Edit: I hope the OP don't mind me using this post in my https://lemmy.world/c/opisafuckingidiot community with the explanation that this time it is a mod who is an idiot: https://lemmy.world/post/25616034

[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

I am in the shoot them camp and got permabanned from reddit because I am vocal about it.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 25 points 1 month ago

One of the best things that happened in the 20th century was the firm reaffirmation, after the war was over, that Nazi lives do have value.

The allies would have been within every reasonable right to just string up the Nazi leadership like Mussolini, make a new treaty of Versailles, and mime tiny violins any time one of the citizens of Germany raised the alarm that their kids were starving. And, a lot of the people on the ground basically did exactly that. But the word from the top is: They are humans. They have rights.

The ones we think are guilty get lawyers and trials, no matter what we’re pretty sure they did. That’s what humans have to do for each other, in a just world. It doesn’t mean you don’t set things right, but you still give them human value and rights, even the worst, before you put them to death if that’s justice.

The whole roots of the war lay in misery and hate. What are we going to be reaping in 20 years if we just replant it all because it’s “what they deserve?” Let’s put an end to it.

It doesn’t mean we didn’t do terrible things in the war, or kill in self defense. Even kill whole cities in an instant, if you need to. But the killing isn’t the point. It’s just a protection, and it needs to end as soon as you can see a way to end it.

And then, back to human life and value. That is, in fact, what separates us from the Nazis, is that we’re not looking to throw it away.

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[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you don’t believe in human rights for Nazis, you don’t believe in universal human rights.

Right to life is a the most basic one.

Arguments about limiting free speech is on a different level.

Fascists not caring about free speech, but exploiting it in bad faith, is the core of the argument and very valid.

A three day ban is fine for something like this.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago

For some context, this person is a Zionist, and with the genocide in Palestine, it’s not surprising that they would have nazi sympathies.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Nazis themselves do not believe in the right to life. They are like cockroaches. They cannot be allowed to spread.

cockroaches

You are using literal Nazi rhetoric. You have no moral standing.

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[-] Fotzenfritz@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago

In germany we say 'heul leise' and i think this is beautiful.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

Being real, it looks like your entire point in posting was to have an excuse to continue talking about the subject. Which isn't against the rules of the C/, but I seems kinda weird. There's plenty of places where you can talk about hating nazis and what you wish you could do to them.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago
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