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Not really "powertripping". Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org... I've unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can't dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930's "tolerating" fascism, and the Nazi's killed over 100 million people. Don't make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

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[-] MissGutsy 77 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

feddit.org is a German hosted instance that has to abide by the German law. By that law, your comment falls into a grey-zone of legality. As much as I agree with you, they were right in removing your comment, as they are legally obligated to. They could get into trouble if they don't.

To quote the feddit.org sidebar:

Content that is illegal in Germany, Austria or Switzerland will be deleted and can lead to an immediate ban of the account.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Can you quote an article of German law forbidding calling nazis (or any other violent political group) pieces of shit?

It is a genuine question - I am not familiar with German law.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nothing easier than that: Art 130 StGB

Anyone who, in a manner likely to disturb the public peace,
1.
incites hatred against a national, racial, religious or ethnic group, against sections of the population or against an individual because of their membership of a designated group or a section of the population, incites violence or arbitrary measures, or
2.
attacks the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously denigrating or slandering a designated group, parts of the population or an individual because of their membership of a designated group or part of the population,

The Post was in A Manner to disturb the public by being a public post. It attacks the human dignity by dehumanising a group based on their world view. Under current German law this is incitement to people.

[-] MissGutsy 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not that directly, but saying they have "zero worth" might be against GG Article 1

Human dignity is inviolable

Pretty sure dehumanizing can be prosecuted under this, even if its rather tame. Also there have been some laws over the last few years that criminalize violent speech on the internet and that give people the ability to report comments directly to agencies. These might make it quite dangerous for the instance to keep up these comments.

I assure you, German leftist often say way more intense stuff on a daily basis, but not on publicly hosted servers

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[-] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah germs, I understand. Consistently on the wrong side of history. Can't even mildly criticise genociders in that shithole.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 43 points 5 days ago

Hi, I happen to be a moderator on that community. I wouldn't have banned you but I won't put my partners' decision under scrutiny if this is a temporal ban. If this ban is permanent, feel free to DM me, I'd like to review what happened here.

PS. Moderating communities is exhausting! And terribly difficult given my account is not on feddit.org

[-] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

I'm going to assume this is a language thing. You really do sound like a nazi when saying "i wont put my partner's decision under scrutiny" when the decision is to act like a nazi. You may want to reword or recend that comment.

[-] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 days ago

And you sound like someone who is very quick to jump to conclusions without the full context.
They remove all hate speech, including any from actual nazi’s.
I don’t see how that makes anyone involved a nazi.

I can see where he was coming

A three day ban is now apparently Nazi. This word has truly lost all meaning. You are lost ideologically.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I only meant to say that changing another mod decision would only be taken, after discussion with them, if there's a clear and robust disagreement (a permanent ban). This, to me, is just a lack of agreement (a temporal ban).

I can see where he was coming

A three day ban is now apparently Nazi. This word has truly lost all meaning. You are lost ideologically.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 101 points 6 days ago

Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org… I’ve unsubbed and blocked the instance.

... but that looks like a mod/comm ban, not an admin/instance ban?

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Always keep in mind the human on the other end. The human who has made their whole identity be about dehumanizing other people. Remember, remain respectful and considerate, only they get a pass at ignoring that.

Wait, why are governments suddenly falling to fascism!?!?

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you don’t believe in human rights for Nazis, you don’t believe in universal human rights.

Right to life is a the most basic one.

Arguments about limiting free speech is on a different level.

Fascists not caring about free speech, but exploiting it in bad faith, is the core of the argument and very valid.

A three day ban is fine for something like this.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago

For some context, this person is a Zionist, and with the genocide in Palestine, it’s not surprising that they would have nazi sympathies.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

Nazis themselves do not believe in the right to life. They are like cockroaches. They cannot be allowed to spread.

cockroaches

You are using literal Nazi rhetoric. You have no moral standing.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not a power tripping Mod just a huge misunderstanding.

Vance, you wanted to label as Nazi and went off a rant, was only mentioned indirectly, so you probably couldn't mean him.

And instead of talking to the Mods you started this post.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 63 points 6 days ago

This seems like a 50:50 type scenario. I personally wouldn't bother with moderation unless someone complained, but a good faith arguement can be made that you were breaking the rules.

While the current US adminstration is arguably somewhere between proto-fascist and fully fascist (there is lots more room for democratic and human rights backsliding), I can see how dehumanisation can be seen as a legitimate moderation reason for your comments.

[-] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 39 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They seem to only have a rule against dehumanisation of minorities, where the term is pretty clearly intended to mean minorities generally subject to persecution/bigotry:

4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.

I feel the ban is a bit over the top, anyway. I get the post being removed for being a bit too aggressive, but to immediately ban over (what I presume) is a first offence... I'd simply give a warning myself.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Saying "nazi lives don't matter" isn't even "dehumanizing".

Dehumanization is Trump calling immigrants rapists and criminals, and associating them with insects, rodents, and pests.

Dehumanization is banning every government department from acknowledging the existence of women, LGBTQ+, minorities, etc, and ordering them to erase any mention of their history.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You're not gonna see this as you blocked feddit.org, also geh dahin wo der Pfeffer wächst!

For everyone else:

Saying "nazi lives don't matter" isn't even "dehumanizing".

Doubtful from a legal point of view

Dehumanization is Trump calling immigrants rapists and criminals, and associating them with insects, rodents, and pests.

Dehumanization is banning every government department from acknowledging the existence of women, LGBTQ+, minorities, etc, and ordering them to erase any mention of their history.

Basically everyone on feddit.org agrees with this, so this whole rambling doesn't make any sense. Two things can be true at the same time.

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[-] sheepy@lemm.ee 47 points 6 days ago

Nazis are shitbags, yes, but like, calm down a bit. Don't stoop down to their level.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

that's not even remotely close to their level.

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[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 38 points 6 days ago

Well, yeah. We don’t condone murdering murderers, either.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 34 points 6 days ago

Classic right wing mindset requiring tolerance of intolerance.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My grandad who fought in WW2 used to say to me "You don't speak to Nazis. You shoot Nazis".

I may be less radical than that but I would gladly see all nazis and nazi apologists on compulsory re-education courses or in prisons.

Edit: I hope the OP don't mind me using this post in my https://lemmy.world/c/opisafuckingidiot community with the explanation that this time it is a mod who is an idiot: https://lemmy.world/post/25616034

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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 days ago

From an anarchist/leftist perspective this is a clear case of PTB. But a milquetoast response to fascism is one of the identifying characteristics of liberalism (unfortunately), so I don't think anyone will be surprised about this type of censorship on a mostly liberal server tbh.

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 25 points 6 days ago

One of the best things that happened in the 20th century was the firm reaffirmation, after the war was over, that Nazi lives do have value.

The allies would have been within every reasonable right to just string up the Nazi leadership like Mussolini, make a new treaty of Versailles, and mime tiny violins any time one of the citizens of Germany raised the alarm that their kids were starving. And, a lot of the people on the ground basically did exactly that. But the word from the top is: They are humans. They have rights.

The ones we think are guilty get lawyers and trials, no matter what we’re pretty sure they did. That’s what humans have to do for each other, in a just world. It doesn’t mean you don’t set things right, but you still give them human value and rights, even the worst, before you put them to death if that’s justice.

The whole roots of the war lay in misery and hate. What are we going to be reaping in 20 years if we just replant it all because it’s “what they deserve?” Let’s put an end to it.

It doesn’t mean we didn’t do terrible things in the war, or kill in self defense. Even kill whole cities in an instant, if you need to. But the killing isn’t the point. It’s just a protection, and it needs to end as soon as you can see a way to end it.

And then, back to human life and value. That is, in fact, what separates us from the Nazis, is that we’re not looking to throw it away.

[-] R0gueS4t3llite@infosec.pub 9 points 5 days ago

Thank you for saying this. It needs to be said over and over. It's the only way forward.

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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I give Nazis all the rights they want to give to me. And all the lefts too.

If you follow an ideology of intolerance, you are no longer entitled to tolerance from others. I will not engage in discourse with followers of an ideology that would enslave my family and likely deport, imprison or exterminate those who are of color and/or disabled.

That's what it comes down to. You can't have any sort of discussion after that point. The conversation has been reduced to either I stop you or you destroy my life. There's nothing more to be said.

If I'm not human in your eyes, you've already proven your inhumanity to me.

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